Detroit, MI - HDTV

halo0 · 04-01-08, 07:15 PM

Anybody know where FSN Plus is supposed to be on Comcast? I don't see it anywhere here in Ann Arbor - either on my channel guide or on Comcast's website. Some Tigers games are only on FSN+...

halo0 · 04-01-08, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pflavell

Channel 230 on Comcast here in Marysville is still a Mirror to 191 Discovery HD.

Anybody else in SE Michigan with this problem or is Disney coming through correctly?

Pete

(ironically Disney HD is showing in the clear on QAM (8.1))

230 is coming thru as Disney HD here in AA. The rest are all present as well, but my guide data isn't updated yet. Most of them say they are on demand channels, but I think that's Tivo's fault.

jefbal99 · 04-01-08, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by halo0

Anybody know where FSN Plus is supposed to be on Comcast? I don't see it anywhere here in Ann Arbor - either on my channel guide or on Comcast's website. Some Tigers games are only on FSN+...

900/901 digital channel and requires a stb

fastzipperus · 04-01-08, 10:06 PM

Is anyone else watching the Office on TBSHD on Comcast right now? They are acutally displaying the show in HD! It's a miracle!

3DCadman · 04-01-08, 10:17 PM

Is anyone else having severe pixilization and dropout issues on CBS HD? I have 2 Tivo HD units w/cablecards, and CBSHD is near unwatchable.

This seems to have been going on for at least a couple weeks, and its getting worse. It doesn't seem to happen on any other channel.

Edit: sorry, forgot to mention I'm on Comcast.

halo0 · 04-01-08, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jefbal99

900/901 digital channel and requires a stb

Is it one or the other, or both? My guide shows 900 and 901 with every program listing as "Local Origination", including April 9th at 7 PM when the Tiger's schedule indicates there should be a game on there.

homcom · 04-01-08, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by halo0

Is it one or the other, or both? My guide shows 900 and 901 with every program listing as "Local Origination", including April 9th at 7 PM when the Tiger's schedule indicates there should be a game on there.

The games on FSN Plus do not show up in the guide, they just preempt the endless infomercial that runs on that channel.

Ken H · 04-02-08, 08:57 AM

Latest updates:

- Comcast adds
211 The Science Channel HD
222 AMC HD
229 ABC Family HD
230 Disney HD

- WKBD-DT The CW goes DD5.1

- WXYZ-DT adds Retro TV as a subchannel on -2, and Doppler 7 Radar is moved to -3.

halo0 · 04-02-08, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by homcom

The games on FSN Plus do not show up in the guide, they just preempt the endless infomercial that runs on that channel.

Wow, that's a GREAT feature for Tivo/DVR users.

rockstar_not · 04-02-08, 10:02 AM

WXYZ shows RTN program guide on their website here:

http://www.wxyz.com/content/stationl...7/default.aspx

For those of us just getting it QAM and OTA instead of digital cable box from Comcast, WOW et. al.

rockstar_not · 04-02-08, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by homcom

The games on FSN Plus do not show up in the guide, they just preempt the endless infomercial that runs on that channel.

On a QAM rescan of Comcast Royal Oak service area, I got a couple new infomercial channels the other day. Could it be that one of them is FSN?

New stuff that showed up has already been listed, but for completeness:

QAM 7-2 is now Retro TV Network
QAM 8-1 is Disney HD (though it's not 16:9, forced 4:3 and probably not real HD
QAM 8-2 is ABC Family, again listed as HD, but probably not
QAM 8-3 is Science HD - says it's at 1080i, but doesn't seem quite HD
QAM 100-9 TCT religious programming

homcom · 04-02-08, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rockstar_not

WXYZ shows RTN program guide on their website here:

http://www.wxyz.com/content/stationl...7/default.aspx

For those of us just getting it QAM and OTA instead of digital cable box from Comcast, WOW et. al.

I notice their schedule is listing sports/show name on Saturday. Anyone know what they plan on showing?

doublejack · 04-02-08, 11:47 AM

8-1 Disney and 8-2 ABC Family are showing no actual HD content from what I can tell. As someone mentioned, they still look better than the SD versions but they clearly aren't broadcasting HD.

On the other hand, I watched a show on 8-3 Science HD last night that was definitely in HD, but again they have some programming that is lesser quality as well. Some of it looks like it might have even been 4:3 SD material that was chopped into 16:9 format, a la what Discovery frequently does.

I don't expect these to stick around for long at all in the clear. My guess is they'll be gone this weekend. It seems Comcast does all of their work rearranging & encrypting channels late on Saturdays or early on Sundays. Maybe a month ago I got NBA Television and USA Network HD in clear QAM, and they lasted almost exactly one week before going poof.

Jeremy W · 04-02-08, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by doublejack

8-1 Disney and 8-2 ABC Family are showing no actual HD content from what I can tell.

Disney is showing a good amount of HD content. I just got it on DirecTV this morning, and every time I've checked on it, it's been in HD.

Ken H · 04-02-08, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by doublejack

I don't expect these to stick around for long at all in the clear.

In my best Ed McMannon voice: "You are correct sir!"

jefbal99 · 04-02-08, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by doublejack

8-1 Disney and 8-2 ABC Family are showing no actual HD content from what I can tell. As someone mentioned, they still look better than the SD versions but they clearly aren't broadcasting HD.

On the other hand, I watched a show on 8-3 Science HD last night that was definitely in HD, but again they have some programming that is lesser quality as well. Some of it looks like it might have even been 4:3 SD material that was chopped into 16:9 format, a la what Discovery frequently does.

I don't expect these to stick around for long at all in the clear. My guess is they'll be gone this weekend. It seems Comcast does all of their work rearranging & encrypting channels late on Saturdays or early on Sundays. Maybe a month ago I got NBA Television and USA Network HD in clear QAM, and they lasted almost exactly one week before going poof.

Disney is definitely broadcasting in HD as it was added on D* this morning and there are many reports of HD programming. Same for Toon Disney HD

Grandad3 · 04-02-08, 02:01 PM

Hi folks, new to the board. I noticed that new RTN7 on my
Comcast system and started searching to see just what an RTN was. I came across this site and found out and decided to join up. I also noticed the new HD channels, Disney, Science, ABC Family and, AMC. They all look pretty good so far. On the RTN7, they've been showing current programming, All My Children. I'm hoping to see, something a little less current. Shows like the ones some you mentioned above.

doublejack · 04-02-08, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy W

Disney is showing a good amount of HD content. I just got it on DirecTV this morning, and every time I've checked on it, it's been in HD.

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Originally Posted by jefbal99

Disney is definitely broadcasting in HD as it was added on D* this morning and there are many reports of HD programming. Same for Toon Disney HD

There wasn't any last night during the times I flipped the station on to see what it looked like. Just a bunch of 4:3 SD+ content.

qz3fwd · 04-02-08, 03:48 PM

WXYZ adding RTN as a sub-channel is a very bad thing as they are now molesting the main HD signal during prime time shows (since RTN has content 24/7).
RTN is a parasite sub-channel only taking away bitrate from the real channel for what-20 to 40 year old overcompressed tv series which if I were going to watch would much rather rent on DVD with 8mbps bitrate, not 3!
Someone please sabotage the RTN IRD during prime time hours.

Thank You

axemanozh · 04-02-08, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jefbal99

900/901 digital channel and requires a stb

I was getting FSN+ on QAM channel 75-901 a few weeks back when they were showing the Summit League college basketball tournament. It looks like Comcast shuffled the channels around, though. I'll have to do a rescan and hope I can find it again.

Ken H · 04-02-08, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandad3

Hi folks, new to the board. I noticed that new RTN7 on my
Comcast system and started searching to see just what an RTN was. I came across this site and found out and decided to join up. I also noticed the new HD channels, Disney, Science, ABC Family and, AMC. They all look pretty good so far. On the RTN7, they've been showing current programming, All My Children. I'm hoping to see, something a little less current. Shows like the ones some you mentioned above.

Check the first post of this topic, for a link to RTN web site & a list of the programs they have.

Jwobot · 04-02-08, 06:48 PM

WOW HDTV on front page is missing some HD channels

410 HBO HD
449 SHO HD
471 MAX HD
493 Starz HD

tollonodre · 04-02-08, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by qz3fwd

WXYZ adding RTN as a sub-channel is a very bad thing as they are now molesting the main HD signal during prime time shows (since RTN has content 24/7).
RTN is a parasite sub-channel only taking away bitrate from the real channel for what-20 to 40 year old overcompressed tv series which if I were going to watch would much rather rent on DVD with 8mbps bitrate, not 3!
Someone please sabotage the RTN IRD during prime time hours.

Thank You

No one, and I mean NO ONE, cares about the change in bit rate - if there is any.
That's like arguing how many angels fit on the head of a pin.

The prime channel HD looks fine.
The new sub-channel looks great, not overcompressed at all.
At least it does OTA.

You don't like it?
Don't watch it.

The rest of us will enjoy it...

homcom · 04-02-08, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tollonodre

No one, and I mean NO ONE, cares about the change in bit rate - if there is any.
That's like arguing how many angels fit on the head of a pin.

The prime channel HD looks fine.
The new sub-channel looks great, not overcompressed at all.
At least it does OTA.

You don't like it?
Don't watch it.

The rest of us will enjoy it...

Count me in as a no one, I care. I'm not overly concerned about it, but I will watch WXYZ over the next few weeks to form my own opinion of what they are doing now. If HDTV quality has gone down thats a shame that is not in my opinion countered by the new choice of programming offered by RTN.

Ken H · 04-02-08, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tollonodre

No one, and I mean NO ONE, cares about the change in bit rate - if there is any.

?

You're in the wrong forum. This is an HDTV forum. All of us here care about bits not allocated to the main HD channel.

Ken H · 04-02-08, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jwobot

WOW HDTV on front page is missing some HD channels

410 HBO HD
449 SHO HD
471 MAX HD
493 Starz HD

Added, thanks.

tollonodre · 04-02-08, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken H

?

You're in the wrong forum. This is an HDTV forum. All of us here care about bits not allocated to the main HD channel.

My mistake.

rockstar_not · 04-03-08, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ken H

?

You're in the wrong forum. This is an HDTV forum. All of us here care about bits not allocated to the main HD channel.

Ken, is there another forum that you know of which just discusses what digital content is available in the Detroit area?

I ask this because I'm torn between being a hard-core HD devotee (which I'm not quite there) and also getting the biggest selection of content for the least amount of money (the stingy side of me).

So, I actually like RTN and haven't noticed a degredation to 7-1, which didn't seem to broadcast much in HD to begin with before RTN came on-line.

Am I right or wrong about that? I honestly don't know.

Also - any help pointing to a general digital TV lineup discussion for Detroit?

Alphy · 04-03-08, 10:52 AM

do we know for a fact that WXYZ primary channel is now broadcasting at a lower bitrate, for a fact? And if so, by what degree?

Ken H · 04-03-08, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rockstar_not

Ken, is there another forum that you know of which just discusses what digital content is available in the Detroit area?

Not that I'm aware of.

In general, we don't discourage limited discussion of the standard digital channels, but HD is the primary focus.

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doublejack Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 404	8-1 Disney and 8-2 ABC Family are showing no actual HD content from what I can tell. As someone mentioned, they still look better than the SD versions but they clearly aren't broadcasting HD. On the other hand, I watched a show on 8-3 Science HD last night that was definitely in HD, but again they have some programming that is lesser quality as well. Some of it looks like it might have even been 4:3 SD material that was chopped into 16:9 format, a la what Discovery frequently does. I don't expect these to stick around for long at all in the clear. My guess is they'll be gone this weekend. It seems Comcast does all of their work rearranging & encrypting channels late on Saturdays or early on Sundays. Maybe a month ago I got NBA Television and USA Network HD in clear QAM, and they lasted almost exactly one week before going poof.

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Grandad3 New Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1	Hi folks, new to the board. I noticed that new RTN7 on my Comcast system and started searching to see just what an RTN was. I came across this site and found out and decided to join up. I also noticed the new HD channels, Disney, Science, ABC Family and, AMC. They all look pretty good so far. On the RTN7, they've been showing current programming, All My Children. I'm hoping to see, something a little less current. Shows like the ones some you mentioned above.

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qz3fwd AVS Special Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,522	WXYZ adding RTN as a sub-channel is a very bad thing as they are now molesting the main HD signal during prime time shows (since RTN has content 24/7). RTN is a parasite sub-channel only taking away bitrate from the real channel for what-20 to 40 year old overcompressed tv series which if I were going to watch would much rather rent on DVD with 8mbps bitrate, not 3! Someone please sabotage the RTN IRD during prime time hours. Thank You

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