Official New Panny thread: 42PD50, PX50, PX500 [Text View] - Page 19

cpcat

10-06-05, 04:50 PM

Greetings

I just took delivery of my 42PD50 yesterday morning. After letting it run about 3 hours, I jumped in for an initial calibration of the set.

I decided to make Standard my defacto correct setting for grayscale although I can redefine the grayscale for vivd ... standard and Cinema location. (Grayscale in cinema mode is decent out of the box, but was visibly improved after proper grayscale calibration.)

My resulting calibrated (preliminary) settings left Contrast at +15 ... Brightness at +6 and sharpness at -15.

Why did I choose +15 for contrast? Because white crush does not occur at that point and there is also no grayscale discoloration in the whites. This maximizes my image dynamic range and still does not create a fatiguing image to look at. I have other ambient room lights turned on.

It is also this way because I am well aware of burn in issues during break in and will be very responsible in my viewing habits.

Sadly ... sitting next to my Samsung 42" plasma that I purchased 4 months back ... it hurt so much to see this new set kick that Samsung around the block ... and kick it some more ... and then some more.

(oh yes ... there are no color decoding controls in the "extended service menu" ... only brightness ... color ... tint ... and the 3 cuts and 3 drivers.)

Regards

I'm interested in what you'll settle on for tint and color.

My settings currently (50PX50U):
Standard
Pic +21
Brt +8
Color 0
Tint -5
Sharp -15
Black level light
Color mng off

Through AVIA the color should be at +1 but I like it better at 0
The -5 tint setting was also via AVIA.

Michael TLV

10-06-05, 05:48 PM

I'm interested in what you'll settle on for tint and color.

My settings currently (50PX50U):
Standard
Pic +21
Brt +8
Color 0
Tint -5
Sharp -15
Black level light
Color mng off

Through AVIA the color should be at +1 but I like it better at 0
The -5 tint setting was also via AVIA.

Greetings

I settled for Color=0 and Tint = -6 ish ...

Blue filters don't work perfectly here and we also have dvd player to player variations. It is ball park. The set is not PUSHING RED at all ... actually undersaturated just a bit. Red Tint seemed to be right on though.

The green filter revealed some green decoder issues as the G-tint is clearly off some. Fortunately, we just are not very sensitive to green shades that it makes little to no difference in the end result. The greens don't look quite the way they should. Still far preferable to neon greens that we see on some DLP and LCD rp units.

Never let the results from the blue filter be set in stone. They are only meant as guidelines. You have to fine tune it with real images beyond test patterns.

Regards

cpcat

10-06-05, 06:01 PM

Thanks for the reply.

Congrats on your new purchase. :)

cpcat

10-06-05, 06:07 PM

my 42PD50 settings after Avia Calibration.(DVD-Component Video)
(this also works okay for SD Satellite and RF-Input

- Picture: +20
- Brighness: +10
- Color: -1
- Tint -6
- Contrast -10

Is that last one a typo for sharpness?

KINGEGO1

10-07-05, 11:28 AM

I own the Panny 42px50 and realize I need something to add another hdmi input. The gefen switch seems to be about 200-300 bucks. Since I also need a receiver to hook up speakers to solve the audio-out issues with this display I was thinking of just getting a "cheap" HDMI switching receiver (such as the JVC RX-D402B) It is a bedroom setup that does not require high end (or even medium end) stuff. Has anyone solved their hdmi switching problem this way? I would post a link to a retail site, but I don't recall if that violates forum rules. You may have to google it youraselves.

BTW, I searched the forums for this unit and came up empty.

Eric

I just bought this HDMI switcher from Markertek for $39. I have a Panny S77 & SA 8300HD DVR connected to a 42px50. I am verry happy with it so far.

http://www.markertek.com/Product.asp?cat=VIDEOEQUIP&subcat=&prodClass=VASWCH&search=0&off=0&baseItem=DVIAB%2D1

caesar1

10-07-05, 02:58 PM

Does the 50u have a cable-card slot built in (or only the 500u)? I see some posts that say yes, and some that say no.

Panasonic's site says "cable card ready" -- not sure if that means it is there when you purchase it.

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=93338&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702&surfModel=TH-50PX50U&catGroupId=24973&surfCategory=Plasma%20TVs&displayTab=S

jczaja

10-07-05, 03:02 PM

The px50u's have cable card slots...

-J

optivity

10-07-05, 03:19 PM

RichB

10-07-05, 04:00 PM

If you plan on buying a consumer model PDP make sure it is DCR. A CableCARD is the best solution for PDPs using CATV source input. Here are some reasons why:

"CableCARDs - A Primer" (http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/specsformats/CableCARDprimer.php)

Except if you hate to watch commercials, then a DVR is best:)

-- Rich

RandyWalters

10-07-05, 04:00 PM

Does the 50u have a cable-card slot built in (or only the 500u)? I see some posts that say yes, and some that say no. Panasonic's site says "cable card ready" -- not sure if that means it is there when you purchase it.It depends on which "50U" you're talking about. The PD50U does not, but all the PX50U and PX500U models do have the slot.

The card is supplied and installed by your cable company - expect to take more than one day off work while they try to get it to work, fail, come back in a few days with another one only to have it fail again, the finally get one working on the 3rd try only to have it fail after he leaves and so on and so on. I think it's a consiracy to get you to give up and rent the box instead.

caesar1

10-07-05, 04:06 PM

fcsmith

10-07-05, 04:11 PM

The card is supplied and installed by your cable company - expect to take more than one day off work while they try to get it to work, fail, come back in a few days with another one only to have it fail again, the finally get one working on the 3rd try only to have it fail after he leaves and so on and so on. I think it's a consiracy to get you to give up and rent the box instead.
Very true. It took four trips to get mine working. They tried 4 or 5 cards before getting one to work. You'd think after a while they'd learn to bring about 6 cards with them in the first place.

caesar1

10-07-05, 04:12 PM

Very true. It took four trips to get mine working. They tried 4 or 5 cards before getting one to work. You'd think after a while they'd learn to bring about 6 cards with them in the first place.

I haven't heard of any issues with cable cards in the Philadelphia area for Comcast.

But then, Comcast is headquartered in Philly, so perhaps they try harder here?

-- p.s. too bad about those Chiefs last week ; )

caesar1

10-07-05, 04:23 PM

It depends on which "50U" you're talking about. The PD50U does not, but all the PX50U and PX500U models do have the slot.

The card is supplied and installed by your cable company - expect to take more than one day off work while they try to get it to work, fail, come back in a few days with another one only to have it fail again, the finally get one working on the 3rd try only to have it fail after he leaves and so on and so on. I think it's a consiracy to get you to give up and rent the box instead.

I'll pick up the card myself from my local cable office. You're really not supposed to do that - -but I was able to talk my way into that when I picked up my HDTV/DVR box last year. They insisted on scheduling an appointment with a tech who would then do an "install". I told them I don't need that, I can "install' it myself.

I'm pretty sure I can swing the same thing with a cable card. They just need access over the cable line -- they don't need to come to my house, as long as I have the card in the slot and everything attached correctly.

fcsmith

10-07-05, 04:23 PM

I haven't heard of any issues with cable cards in the Philadelphia area for Comcast.
Time Warner here.

-- p.s. too bad about those Chiefs last week ; )
Ouch. :(

optivity

10-07-05, 04:33 PM

Except if you hate to watch commercials, then a DVR is best:)

-- RichNo problem then... just rent both like some Forum members do. Your cable provider will appreciate it too.

optivity

10-07-05, 04:38 PM

DCR? I don't know what that means.A Digital Cable Ready device supports direct connectivity to a cable TV network with a one-way CableCARD. Examples of such devices are external digital tuners, HD-DVRs and plasma TVs.

tyun77

10-07-05, 05:01 PM

The price for the 50pHD8UK at VA is similar to the 50PX50U at PCconnection if you take into consideration shipping is free at PC. SO which would you buy and why?

-T

DirtyHarry3033

10-07-05, 06:06 PM

Hi, been lurking here for a few weeks trying to learn all I can about this plasma stuff and based on everything I've read here, I pulled the trigger this afternoon on a Panny TH-42PX50U :D Will be delivered tomorrow, I imagine this is gonna be the LONGEST night of my life waiting for it!

Got it from CC, the salesman even knocked off an extra $100 even though I didn't jump all over his pitch for Monster cables, Monster power supply, a new surround-sound system to replace my Onkyo, a DirectTV system and so on...

Funny thing, first thing I asked was to see a SD picture so I could check the PQ and Zoom, Full, Just modes, as they were running the HD loop and that was all I'd seen - he said "No, can't show SD on the plasma. But we have SD on the DLP, come look..." and he started walking off. I stopped him and said "Hey, I don't WANT a DLP, I want THIS Panny...", he interrupts and says "It won't look much different". I told him I didn't care, looking at SD on ANY other set would not tell me how it looked on the Panny, and started walking out.

Suddenly, he discovered he COULD show me SD ;) I was worried it might look like crap because he obviously didn't want me to see it, but it looked pretty d*mn good really. Not as good as my Panny CT-32HX41 crt but very close really. And what I've read here tells me it's gonna look better when I get it home and tweaked, than it ever would in the store.

Can't wait for tomorrow to get here!!! The anticipation is driving me crazy, and I'm sure I'll have a LOT of questions once I get it hooked up :) Thanks guys for all your informative posts that helped me decide!

<edit> - Just got the call from CC, delivery tomorrow between 10:00 and 12:00 - jeez another 14 - 16 hours of waiting! And each minute of that time is gonna seem like an hour...

optivity

10-07-05, 07:43 PM

Congratulations, good luck with your PDP. We share the same brand of electronics. I have a TH-50PX50U, CT-36HL42 and an Onkyo TX-SR600.

jczaja

10-07-05, 07:53 PM

You'll be very happy! I'm loving my 50PX50U... SD looks a lot better than I expected..

-J

DirtyHarry3033

10-07-05, 08:42 PM

Congratulations, good luck with your PDP. We share the same brand of electronics. I have a TH-50PX50U, CT-36HL42 and an Onkyo TX-SR600.

Thanks! I REALLY wanted the TH-50 but the $$$ plus limited space (I'll be watching from about 6', the immersion from a 50" would probably send me to never-never land at that distance...) convinced me to get the TH-42.

I said I'd have dumb questions, here's the 1st ;)

I've read there are issues with burn-in on plasmas, I've also read that burn-in these days is no more of a concern than on a crt. So I'm wondering - is it, or is it not a problem? (This is my 1st plasma...)

Of course don't leave a static image onscreen "too long", I know, but HOW long is "too long"? Don't think I've seen an answer here.

I've got a ReplayTV, and have a (possibly) bad habit of pausing it to go do something else, it might be 1 minute, it might be 45 minutes. I've never had any burn-in issues with my CT-32HX41 crt despite 4 years of this "abuse". Of course my new PDP is gonna get a LOT more TLC, but I'm just wondering how long of a pause is typical before you risk burn-in?

I know the 1st 100 hours are critical, I'll be playing full-screen stuff from the time I come home until I go to bed every night to get thru that time quicker, but once I get past that break-in period, is there a "definitive" answer as to how long of a pause is safe for my panny? Thanks!

DirtyHarry3033

10-07-05, 08:51 PM

You'll be very happy! I'm loving my 50PX50U... SD looks a lot better than I expected..

-J

Yeah, the SD looked pretty decent at CC, I was suprised. Course I'd like it to be even better, but it is very "watchable". And all the stretch modes looked so good it was hard to tell the 4:3 was stretched. After I get it tweaked up a bit, I think I'll feel like I died and went to heaven :D

BarnacleBill

10-07-05, 09:06 PM

I've read there are issues with burn-in on plasmas, I've also read that burn-in these days is no more of a concern than on a crt. So I'm wondering - is it, or is it not a problem?
There is a large sticky thread on this subject. Read that. No need to rehash it here.

DirtyHarry3033

10-07-05, 10:19 PM

D-Nice

10-07-05, 10:31 PM

To make it simple....burn-in is not an issue with today's plasmas PERIOD.

Jacksan

10-07-05, 11:31 PM

Hi,

I had gone in to two different Tweeter stores in the San Diego area today, and received conflicting information about the 50 inch Pannys from each store.

1st store said that the 50 inch 500U was on back order (not a surprise) but a shipment of 40 was going to be arriving on the 14th of this month. Most were spoken for in terms of back orders, but if I was interested, I needed to check back on the 14th. Fair enough.

This evening I went to another store on the way home from my office, and according to the manager in the second store, "The 50 inch 500U's are no longer being produced, according to our meeting this morning. We are supposed to take down the 50 inch 500U, we won't be receiving any more stock."

I clarified that it was the 500u, not the 50u that he was claiming is being discontinued.

Any thoughts? 2nd store manager was yanking my chain, and that they just aren't getting more from Panasonic and was steering me towards the other models?

I was actually more interested in the 50U, as I have a sound system as well as a scaler so the extra inputs on the 500U were just that, extra; however, I think I convinced myself that the black bezel on the 500U enhanced the blacks, making them darker than the charcoal gray bezel on the 50U.

I look forward to any comments!

saucz

10-07-05, 11:36 PM

DAMNIT... i fell asleep with the dvd playing robots and i woke up 3 hours later with the dvd menu screen. i'm still in the break in phase and my reaction was to just turn the tv off. Look at what this plasmas got me doin. well anyway, not even a hint of image retention. I think the menu screen was on for about an hour or so because the movies only like 2 hours long at most. i was so upset at myself though. Just a rant.

Bushman4

10-08-05, 12:27 AM

500U is NOT discontinued. Panasonic is still selling them on their web site, however their is an estimated 45 day delivery wait.

Mgr. was just trying to bullshxt you into switching.

USCTrojan

10-08-05, 12:48 AM

I also fell asleep yesterday with DVD screen on for about 4 hours. I have only 40 hours on the TV. Turned the TV on today and did not see any burn-in at all.
I think this is so overblown that I am going to turn up the contrast and brightness a little bit so the picture is a little more vivid. Pany says that you should have the contrast set at 50% or less. For the TH-37PD50U, that would mean a setting of 15 or less (based on 30 being max). I set the contrast at 10 and brightness at 10 and it looks way better than the very low settings.

Casey Jones

10-08-05, 01:15 AM

Doesnt your dvd player have a bulit in screen saver that is activated?

BarnacleBill

10-08-05, 03:16 AM

Thanks Barnacle, I've done a lot of reading there but there are nearly 800 posts and as slow as I read it'd take MONTHS to read the whole thread. And I haven't found what I was looking for yet.
Sorry if I sounded harsh. First try Bruzzi's Panasonic page (http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/plasma-faq/forumdisplay.php?f=16) and read "01) Panasonic White Paper - Plasma Facts and Myths." This contains information on break-in that is applicable to plasmas in general. Also read about how different people have calibrated their sets. Search for "settings" and "break in" or similar words.

RichB

10-08-05, 08:45 AM

There is also the MASTER BURN-IN THREAD --> All posts related to BURN-IN must go here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=444258) which is a Sticky at the top of the formum.

-- Rich

Frisco Kid

10-08-05, 09:49 AM

I just wanted to thank everyone here on these boards for all their advices and experiences. It really helped me on my decision on buying a 50PX500. I actually purchased the PX50, but my delivery date kept getting pushed back so I got p..... :mad: The PX500 was in stock, so I was able to negotiate to buy the PX500 for a little more.

Anyways, HD is awesome SD is so so and I'm on my way to picking up a new DVD Player. I'm breaking in the system right now... about 100 hours right now, so another 100 to go.

Thanks everybody!

DirtyHarry3033

10-08-05, 04:52 PM

BarnacleBill, no prob. Didn't take it as being "harsh", just you trying to point a newbie in the right direction.

Well my TH-42PX50U got here at 11:10 this morning!!!! This thing looks FAN-FREAKIN-TASTIC :D:D:D:D I could wish for better SD, but it's certainly acceptable... The HD and DVD are great!

I want to dig out AVIA and do some calibration. Was wondering if anybody has advice on how long of a break-in is needed before doing the AVIA bit. Never had a plasma before so I'm clueless here ;) I'm just guessing that if I calibrate now, it's gonna change some over the next few weeks, and have to be done again. Am I wrong?

Thanks!

optivity

10-08-05, 05:36 PM

I want to dig out AVIA and do some calibration. Was wondering if anybody has advice on how long of a break-in is needed before doing the AVIA bit. Never had a plasma before so I'm clueless here ;) I'm just guessing that if I calibrate now, it's gonna change some over the next few weeks, and have to be done again. Am I wrong?

Thanks!The Panasonic white paper "Plasma Facts and Myths Panasonic Presents Advice From the Video Purist Perspective" (http://www.fcw.com/vendorsolutions/panasonicplasma.pdf#search='panasonic%20plasma%20white%20pap er') is a good place to start.

Yoda1

10-08-05, 05:47 PM

To make it simple....burn-in is not an issue with today's plasmas PERIOD.

It may not be an issue with Panasonic plasmas, 'cause I saw a Hitachi 42HDS52 with some very noticeable burn-in (probably just image retention). The stupids at CC left a Sony DVD Player Menu just sitting on the Hitachi. I'm not sure how long the screen was like that but when I went to white-wash the screen, the burn in from the Menu was clearly there. You could very easily see the words Sony DVD Player, CD and Video CD on the screen.

Needless to say, I was pretty alarmed.

DirtyHarry3033

10-08-05, 05:52 PM

Sooner or later I'll quit asking dumb questions ;)

Everything I've read here about the panny suggests that if you have a component device connected on Component 1, and an s-video device connected on Input 1, the s-video will take precedence over the component, and you will not be able to view the component until you unplug the s-video connection from Input 1. In other words, Component 1 and Input 1 are shared, right? With s-video overriding component?

That had me concerned, but much to my suprise, I've got my HD STB on Component 1, and just now I put my ReplayTV on Input 1 using s-video. And I was able to select either one of 'em without disconnecting anything :D

Am I missing something here? Misunderstood what I read? (I'm getting on towards elderly, my brain ain't what it used to be :D )Or has panny addressed that issue?

At any rate, I ain't complaining! Just wondering...

Macfan424

10-08-05, 06:07 PM

..Everything I've read here about the panny suggests that if you have a component device connected on Component 1, and an s-video device connected on Input 1, the s-video will take precedence over the component, and you will not be able to view the component until you unplug the s-video connection from Input 1. In other words, Component 1 and Input 1 are shared, right? With s-video overriding component?

That had me concerned, but much to my suprise, I've got my HD STB on Component 1, and just now I put my ReplayTV on Input 1 using s-video. And I was able to select either one of 'em without disconnecting anything ...
It's not Component that can't be used at the same time as S-Video, it's Composite.

Composite is the yellow coded single wire connection that shares the same terminals (Input 1 and 2) as the S-Video. Composite is the three wire hook-up coded red/green/blue in the separate Component 1 and 2 terminals.

(A bit confusing, as they sound alike.) :)

bmsprague

10-08-05, 06:13 PM

This is a report on my new Panny 50" 500U...it covers a lot, but wanted to stick it in this post, where I owe so many of you thanks.

Thanks to all the AVS members on educating me on everything about HDTV, DLPs, plasmas, etc, the last few years. As a background, I have had the Samsung 46" HLN467 DLP, along with the Samsung OTA STB and their upconverting DVD player for the last two years...all giving excellent HDTV and DVD playback enjoyment. Now this TV will be relegated as the second unit, and the time has come for a plasma (now with the quality up and prices down).

I finally jumped and got the Panasonic 50" PX500U about two weeks ago. All the AVS raves, online reviews, etc., leaves no doubt that this is the one to get. In fact, the latest Consumer Reports have it listed as tops. Of course I and the wife compared it in person with all the others...and it definitely stood out from the crowd. I had to wait a few weeks to get mine, as they were backordered (and they still are). I got it from the local Tweeter, and because I have been a good customer with other purchases, I got the total price (including taxes) down to within a couple hundred dollars of about the average internet deal (including shipping). On the cheapest internet sites I could have saved a little more, but having the 30 day return option is golden.

I got the 500U (over the 50U) for the VGA input, split screen, digital card input, better speakers, and better looking cabinet. More on these functions below.

I got it home, and with the wife's help, got it out of the box, put the stand on, set it up on our HT cabinet (see pictures below) and fired it up. Could not stand to wait, and put on Discovery HD (cable box via HDMI), and bingo....there was that golden picture...looking great right out of the box (in all of it's "VIVID" glory, of course). Basically, for the next eight days straight, I ran it 24/7, mostly in Cinema mode, set to -30 Picture and -30 Brightness to break it in. I left it on a channel that had no logos or banners (mostly Discovery HD). Of course, with these settings, it was awfully dark....so once in awhile when we wanted to really watch something (or just had to show off the great picture), I bumped them up temporarily to "0".

I now have over two hundred hours burn in time, and have been using Digital Video Essentials to tweak the settings. My settings from DVE and an HDMI cable input are: Picture 15, Brightness 5, Color 0, Tint -5, and Sharpness 0. Also, I am using the Standard picture mode, Color Temp is Normal, Color Mgt is Off, CATS is Off, Video NR is Off, 3D Y/C Filter is Off, Color Matrix is HD, MPEG NR is Off, Black Level is Light, and the Side Bar is set Bright. I will probably use these settings for the DVD player as well.

This plasma is in our sunroom out back (our new home theater), and during the day it is very bright in the room, so I have bumped up the Picture to 20 and Brightness to 10....everything else staying the same. I may play with these settings, but I think they are pretty close to what they will always be...even at night. In fact, I did a spreadsheet on over a dozen AVS posts of their 500U settings, and here are the averages: Picture 15, Brightness 5, Color -2, Tint -5, and Sharpness 1...so we are all using pretty close to the same settings.

My basic setup is a Motorola cable STB with DVR, going out to the plasma via HDMI (DVI adapter cable), and at first I was using 720p output from the STB. I changed it to 1080i, and PQ is even better. I am also using the Samsung HD931 upconverting DVD player, and at first hooked it via HDMI (using DVI adapter cable), and output it as either 720p or 1080i. The picture was quite "dark", so I changed it over to component cables, and the picture is much brighter now. I output the DVD signal now as 480i, and that works better than 480p. When the new HD dvds start to come out, and we all get whatever player exists, I may go back to HDMI input, as obviously, this has got to be the best way. Some of you have been lamenting the fact that there is only one HDMI input on the 500U. I use a GEFEN DVI switcher, and it works just fine. I also have a Roku HD1000, that I dump Macintosh pictures to display on the plasma (via VGA). It works good, but I am going to experiment with component cables to see how that works. Dumping my Mac pictures directly in the plasma via VGA also works, but the Roku ethernet connection setup is more elegant to run the show. As a side note on the Roku, I do not use it for music....I simply dump my Macintosh iTunes directly to my A/V Reciever. I have Mirage speakers....the Uni-Theater front (left, right, center), two Mirage in ceiling surrounds, all using the OmniPolar three dimensional sound pattern (we sit anywhere in the room and you have excellent imaging), and the Velodyne 175w subwoofer (with remote). The whole thing is run with the HomeTheaterMaster MX-600 (has RF), that also runs the X-10 lighting in the room. On the remote, I have one macro to turn on the cable box and plasma, and the wife looks at TV via the internal speakers...she is a happy camper (WAF), but when we watch something special, then the 5.1 sound system comes on.

I have spent many days tweaking and setting things up. Here are some observations:
- the dreaded "green push" is NOT there (the DVE disk pumped my Tint down to -5...but even with "0", I still did not have any green push)
- NO dead pixels
- NO dreaded "faint horizontal line" in the middle of the screen
- NO HDMI dropouts
- NO "changing black levels"
- NO fan noise or "buzzing" sounds
- the unit was made August 2005 in Mexico (so they DO make good sets)

As far as PQ, just what you would expect: analog SD is barely fair to almost good (but just as good as my Samsung DLP); digital SD is good to very good; DVDs are very good to excellent; HD is excellent to blow you away....everything, of course, depends on what the source material is. When MPEG 4 comes to the satellites, I may dump my cable service. And of course, the soon to come HD dvds are going to change everything.

By the way, OTA reception here in Houston, we get seven HD stations, and this unit picks them up very well from an attic antenna (fairly large). I also use an antenna amp, since I live in the suburbs (Kingwood). I did have one channel "disappear" after a few days, and a rescan brought it back in. My son-in-law, who is into HDTV also (has a Mitsubishi), says he has to do this frequently. I also notice on one channel, in order to hear the audio, I have to click the SAP a few times to change things.

One problem: no split screen when using HDMI as a source (my cable)...well, I wished this worked, but I would probably hardly use it except for demo purposes.

Bottom line: the best monitor I have ever had...we love it. Now we have to sweat out the new 1080p units coming down the pike!

Last, I am now thinking about getting an extended warranty. I stuck this on my MasterCard, so that added another year to the warranty. Not sure what I should do on this.

The pictures below show my setup (one more post for more). The cabinet I made, and it is on casters to easily move out to work on things. The photo of the plasma picture, of course, does not do justice to the true picture in person.

Thanks again to all of you for your forum support.

Bruce Sprague

bmsprague

10-08-05, 06:21 PM

Here are some more pictures:

caesar1

10-08-05, 06:46 PM

bmsprague

10-08-05, 06:53 PM

DirtyHarry3033

10-08-05, 06:58 PM

It's not Component that can't be used at the same time as S-Video, it's Composite.

Composite is the yellow coded single wire connection that shares the same terminals (Input 1 and 2) as the S-Video. Composite is the three wire hook-up coded red/green/blue in the separate Component 1 and 2 terminals.

(A bit confusing, as they sound alike.) :)

That makes more sense!

Hmm, must have been brain cramps, trying to take in too much info at once :( Yeah, I know the difference between component, composite and s-video but like you suggest, the 1st 2 sound so much alike it's easy to confuse 'em, and I do it all the time ;)

Instead of naming 'em "Composite", "S-Video", "Component" maybe they should have called 'em "Good", "Better", "Best" - no possibility of confusion that way...

Thanks for the info!

caesar1

10-08-05, 10:22 PM

That speaker you see is the Mirage Uni Theater speaker, which is the left, center, and right speaker...all in one. It sits about 6.5" high, and about 36" wide. They sound excellent, with excellent imaging. They are as powerful as full B&W towers that I had previously. And have great WAF.

So from the top of where the plasma sits (when on its normal stand) to the bottom of the screen, there is about 7 inches? I thought the stands were only 2 inches high?

Could you measure from the top of your credenza to the bottom of the screen? If there is about 7 inches, I could put my center channel in a similar spot, and not block the screen.

Although I wonder if there is a difference with a 50u (as opposed to the 500u)?

bmsprague

10-08-05, 10:31 PM

caesar1

10-08-05, 11:10 PM

No....the 6.5" is how high my speaker is. The distance from the table top to the bottom of the plasma is 3.5", but the distance from the table top to the actual bottom of the plasma screen display (the actual picture), is about 9.5".....so if you speaker is less than that, you should be just fine.
Bruce

Well then the next question is, where is the "IR" for the remote? I wouldn't want to block remote control with the center channel.

bmsprague

10-09-05, 12:10 AM

It is on the far left side, but I also have an IR blaster taped to it to help it if blocked....but if you have a speaker less than two feet wide, it should be wide open to aim at.

Don O'Brien

10-09-05, 10:02 AM

If anybody has a CCF or PCF file for these new tvs and would be willing to share I would appreciate a copy. I have been to remotecentral and all of the files relate to RPTV and predominantly monitors. I will not have an original remote to program this tv for my brother who is not located locally. Thanks.

When I do finish this I will post final codes to this thread.

trebor299

10-10-05, 03:17 AM

Newbie here:
Hey folks, just got my 50 inch 500u this past week and it finally got hooked up this Saturday by Direct Tv. The picture without any type of calibration looked absolutely stunning. I watched the cowboy v. eagles game in HD and my jaw dropped to the floor. I am looking forward to the breaking in period and to having it professionally calibrated thereafter. I am planning on having it installed over the fireplace onto the stone face by Circuit City as well as hooking up my pioneer elite a/v receiver(vsx 72txv) and Definitive technology speakers(6.1 subwoofer by klipsch) I did encounter some problems with the DVR and TV connections and was looking for some help. Keep in mind, the only hook up right now is the DVR and TV:
1. My over the air antenna is pixelating terribly, to the point that watching those channels is unbearable. The service rep from Directv raised it as high as he could but the signal did not get any better. I was extremely worried because that would mean I could not get the local channels in HD. However, many of the main local channels were viewable on other channels such as abc east or fox east in HD. This kind of bypassed this problem for now. Can't switch to cable either because of the NFL ticket.
2. I tried to take the advice of the article I read on "Polishing Turd" Steps to a better NTSC image on your plasma. I am currently running the DVR to the panny via HDMI. When I tried to connect via S video, while leaving in the HDMI the panny would not recognize the signal on that input. I didn't know whether this was a tv issue or an issue with the DVR so I decided to call Directv first. The lady did not seem to sure but her response was that the DVR may not recognize the S video once the HDMI is hooked up. She stated it would only recognize one output at a time. Is this correct?
3. If the DVR will only recognize one output at a time, can I get around that issue by somehow going through the receiver when it gets installed?

Thanks for your help.

Don O'Brien

10-10-05, 07:52 AM

Hi Trebor,
With DirecTV's HD DVR you must have the output resolution set to 480i in order to get video ouput from the S video and composite outputs. This same problem would occur with component video at the HD resolutions of 720p and 1080i.
On the navigation pad of the remote, depressing the "up" button once will bring up the current resolution and depressing it again will cycle to the next available resolution.

In the setup menu you will have to specify what resolution you would like available. You can select 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i. The "up" button on the navigation pad will scroll through the available resolutions you selected. All the resolutions can be output from the HDMI port, including 480i.

Macfan424

10-10-05, 11:24 AM

...1. My over the air antenna is pixelating terribly, to the point that watching those channels is unbearable...
Sounds like you may need a better antenna. Try posting your question in your city's thread in the Local HDTV Info and Reception forum. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=45) Tell them where you live and they can probably advise you.
2... DVR may not recognize the S video once the HDMI is hooked up. She stated it would only recognize one output at a time. Is this correct?
Answered by Don O'Brien, but to clarify one point: You can get output from both S-Video and HDMI (or component) if you set the receiver for 480i output, but only from HDMI or component with 1080i or 720p.
3. If the DVR will only recognize one output at a time, can I get around that issue by somehow going through the receiver when it gets installed? The receiver would have the same limitations. S-Video and composite can only handle SD signals.

quoad

10-10-05, 02:00 PM

Hi Everyone - I have a question about the pcmcia slot on the 42px500u. Is this a type I or type II slot or is it compatible with both? I bought a pcmcia type I adapter to view pictures on a compact flash card. It works very well and I'm able to see my pictures.

My dad though has a Sony camera though which uses memory sticks. I can only find pcmcia Memory Stick adapters that are type II. Will type II adapters work in this tv? Any help would be great. Thanks!

trebor299

10-10-05, 07:18 PM

optivity

10-10-05, 07:24 PM

RandyWalters

10-10-05, 09:58 PM

Hi guys, thanks for the reply. I tried your advise and I was able to test the output of my DVR through hdmi, s video and composite on SD channels. I had a good friend of mine, my wife and myself compare the quality difference between HDMI, s video, and composite as per the article "polishing the turd". There was really not that big of a difference. It was pretty subjective as we came up with a couple of different opinions regarding the picture quality. The final conclusion was that it probably is not worth the hassle of having to switch over to different inputs and toggling back and forth on the dvr remote for such a miniscule difference in picture quality. I'll just stay with the one hdmi coming out of the back of my set.The problem with this is you're forced to use the same picture settings for both regular SD channels and the HD channels since you're only using the one input on the TV. The settings i use to get SD to look good make HD look like crap, and the settings i use to get HD to look good make SD look like crap. There is no one happy medium setting that can be shared by both types of broadcast format - each needs it's own specific settings and you can't do that by using the HDMI (or Component) only. I think this might be a big reason why people say SD looks poor on their plasma - they're watching SD with HD menu settings cause they're using the HD input for everything. This is also a problem when using the TV's internal tuner - you set it up so HD looks good but SD then suffers cause the settings are out of whack for SD.

By watching HD through the Component input and SD through the S-Video input i'm able to select individual Picture modes then optimize the various settings to suit the two drastically different broadcast sources. For HD i use the Vivid picture mode but for SD i use the Standard picture mode, and each mode has drastically different settings in all menus.

optivity

10-10-05, 10:10 PM

This is also a problem when using the TV's internal tuner - you set it up so HD looks good but SD then suffers cause the settings are out of whack for SD.This is not true... with CableCARD input some picture settings are auto adjusted to different values for HD versus SD signal formats (e.g. Black Level & 3/D YC Filter)

RandyWalters

10-11-05, 12:20 AM

This is not true... with CableCARD input some picture settings are auto adjusted to different values for HD versus SD signal formats (e.g. Black Level & 3/D YC Filter)Well maybe not entirely true, but nonetheless all the Contrast/Brightness/Color/Tint/Sharpness/Color Temp settings are not auto-adjusted when the different formats are displayed so you're still being forced to use disadvantageous settings for one format or the other depending on which one you've assigned to that input. When i briefly had the cablecard, i would switch to my Vivid mode when watching HD then switch back to Standard mode when watching SD and that would work with an STB as well, but is more trouble than simply switching inputs on the TV.

trebor299

10-11-05, 01:18 AM

It's common sense to use your best connection interface first rather than follow some of the "myths" that are perpetuated in this Forum. If you own a PX50 or 500U try a CableCARD and see the difference. ;)

Thanks for the advise optivity. I don't think I can use a cablecard with Directv and the HD tivo dvr, is that correct?

trebor299

10-11-05, 01:34 AM

The problem with this is you're forced to use the same picture settings for both regular SD channels and the HD channels since you're only using the one input on the TV. The settings i use to get SD to look good make HD look like crap, and the settings i use to get HD to look good make SD look like crap. There is no one happy medium setting that can be shared by both types of broadcast format - each needs it's own specific settings and you can't do that by using the HDMI (or Component) only. I think this might be a big reason why people say SD looks poor on their plasma - they're watching SD with HD menu settings cause they're using the HD input for everything. This is also a problem when using the TV's internal tuner - you set it up so HD looks good but SD then suffers cause the settings are out of whack for SD.

By watching HD through the Component input and SD through the S-Video input i'm able to select individual Picture modes then optimize the various settings to suit the two drastically different broadcast sources. For HD i use the Vivid picture mode but for SD i use the Standard picture mode, and each mode has drastically different settings in all menus.

Randy, thanks for your time. I reread the article I was referring to before and it now made more sense. Your argument is not so much the connection you are using, but the ability to "calibrate" each input to view either an HD broadcast or SD broadcast. I was under the impression that once your calibration for HD is set, it should allow a great picture for any broadcast, but that obviously is not the case. Being a football fan I can use the analogy of a coach trying to disguise his teams poor defensive play by trying to control the ball more on offense thus keeping his defense off the field. The same would be true for SD broadcasts. Tweak the picture on a different input to hide its imperfections. Thanks.

Bushman4

10-11-05, 01:42 AM

The problem with this is you're forced to use the same picture settings for both regular SD channels and the HD channels since you're only using the one input on the TV. The settings i use to get SD to look good make HD look like crap, and the settings i use to get HD to look good make SD look like crap. There is no one happy medium setting that can be shared by both types of broadcast format - each needs it's own specific settings and you can't do that by using the HDMI (or Component) only. I think this might be a big reason why people say SD looks poor on their plasma - they're watching SD with HD menu settings cause they're using the HD input for everything. This is also a problem when using the TV's internal tuner - you set it up so HD looks good but SD then suffers cause the settings are out of whack for SD.

By watching HD through the Component input and SD through the S-Video input i'm able to select individual Picture modes then optimize the various settings to suit the two drastically different broadcast sources. For HD i use the Vivid picture mode but for SD i use the Standard picture mode, and each mode has drastically different settings in all menus.

Point well taken Randy. Only problem with what your saying is that you become a 'Remote Jockey Freak' constantly switching each time change channels. It gets tidiuous albeit a way to get better PQ.

RandyWalters

10-11-05, 01:43 AM

Your argument is not so much the connection you are using, but the ability to "calibrate" each input to view either an HD broadcast or SD broadcast. I was under the impression that once your calibration for HD is set, it should allow a great picture for any broadcast, but that obviously is not the case.....Exactly. Finally, someone gets it ! ;)

blak

10-11-05, 02:55 AM

I'm looking at the PX500 to replace a Samsung HLP6163 that is defective, but I have a few concerns.
I have read over the possibility of screen burn in and I currently use my tv as my monitor. I imagine the best case would be to buy a separate monitor atleast until I get through my first thousand hours.
Besides that, are there really any downfalls with this tv? After looking at BB this was definently the best looking tv there.
I find the contrast to be unbelievably better, along with the sharpness and detail. The PX500 looks almost 3d like, the only disadvantage is the cost.

optivity

10-11-05, 06:54 AM

Thanks for the advise optivity. I don't think I can use a cablecard with Directv and the HD tivo dvr, is that correct?Correct, CableCARDs are only used with CATV providers.

optivity

10-11-05, 06:59 AM

Point well taken Randy. Only problem with what your saying is that you become a 'Remote Jockey Freak' constantly switching each time change channels. It gets tidiuous albeit a way to get better PQ.So passing SD from an STB with S-Video to a PDP renders a better picture than if the coax is connected to the TV's antenna input? How?

cpcat

10-11-05, 08:05 AM

So passing SD from an STB with S-Video to a PDP renders a better picture than if the coax is connected to the TV's antenna input? How?

By having a "dedicated" HD and SD input, you can have two different picture settings to optomize PQ. The picture *mode* but not all the settings is saved for each input so if you have s-video set for "cinema" it will return there when you go back.

I personally don't find it necessary and I use "standard" for both. If you have a way to convert all SD to 480p it's advantageous as 480i seems to be a totally different gamma setting on the TV i.e. it's at a much higher brightness setting.
Otherwise, you need to set up another picture mode with lower brightness or simply change it to "dark".

With the TV's tuner, and I assume with CableCard, the TV autoselects the "dark" gamma setting when watching SD. I'm unsure whether it distinguishes 480p from 480i but my suspicion is that it does and it stays at "light" with 480p.

optivity

10-11-05, 08:58 AM

By having a "dedicated" HD and SD input, you can have two different picture settings to optomize PQ. The picture *mode* but not all the settings is saved for each input so if you have s-video set for "cinema" it will return there when you go back.

I personally don't find it necessary and I use "standard" for both. If you have a way to convert all SD to 480p it's advantageous as 480i seems to be a totally different gamma setting on the TV i.e. it's at a much higher brightness setting.
Otherwise, you need to set up another picture mode with lower brightness or simply change it to "dark".

With the TV's tuner, and I assume with CableCard, the TV autoselects the "dark" gamma setting when watching SD. I'm unsure whether it distinguishes 480p from 480i but my suspicion is that it does and it stays at "light" with 480p.You are correct regarding CableCARD input, 480i and black level=dark. Unfortunately, 480i cannot be changed to 480p when using a CableCARD as the source input connection. My question is with CATV will a Panasonic PD/PX50/500U PDP render SD content better using a direct coax connection or with an STB and S-Video?

housecor

10-11-05, 10:14 AM

When i briefly had the cablecard, i would switch to my Vivid mode when watching HD then switch back to Standard mode when watching SD and that would work with an STB as well, but is more trouble than simply switching inputs on the TV.

I have different settings for SD and HD using a CC and use macros on my remote to switch between standard and cinema picture modes via one button press. Two caveats:
1. The macro takes slightly longer to run than switching inputs
2. I have to know which picture setting I'm currently using to properly switch to the other (since one macro presses the left arrow to select standard, the other the right arrow to select cinema).

With my SA8300DVR, PQ via S-Video or composite at any res is notably noisier than CC, so the minor annoyance of switching pic settings via macro is well worth it in my case. Perhaps a non-dvr STB would offer comparable PQ to CC via S-vid, since the DVR boxes add noise because they're displaying a processed, digitized, and compressed analog signal for time shifting purposes. This is why I only use my DVR to view recorded programming.

optivity

10-11-05, 10:34 AM

With my SA8300DVR, PQ via S-Video or composite at any res is notably noisier than CC, so the minor annoyance of switching pic settings via macro is well worth it in my case. Perhaps a non-dvr STB would offer comparable PQ to CC via S-vid, since the DVR boxes add noise because they're displaying a processed, digitized, and compressed analog signal for time shifting purposes. This is why I only use my DVR to view recorded programming.Are you saying SD looks better with a CableCARD than through an STB regardless of the connection interface being used (e.g. S-Video)? It's interesting some other Forum participants "insist" STB --> S-Video renders SD content better than any other input source or connection type.

netoholic

10-11-05, 11:52 AM

Looks like the Panasonic warehouse has been restocked with TH-50PX50U's. I ordered mine yesterday expecting a 45-day wait. I got a notice today that it's been shipped.

triplefffcalgary

10-11-05, 11:53 AM

Been keeping my eye on a 42px500 at my local Future Shop while I'm doing my basement renovations. Maybe its a function of the current shortage in these units but the price went UP :eek: this morning by $300. This happening anywhere else?

housecor

10-11-05, 12:28 PM

Are you saying SD looks better with a CableCARD than through an STB regardless of the connection interface being used (e.g. S-Video)? It's interesting some other Forum participants "insist" STB --> S-Video renders SD content better than any other input source or connection type.

Yup, that's what I'm saying. I suspect it's differences among STB's that constitutes the difference. I suggest everyone try both setups and see which they prefer since there's certainly no concensus here.

caesar1

10-11-05, 03:42 PM

Where did you order from? What store?

cpcat

10-11-05, 04:34 PM

You are correct regarding CableCARD input, 480i and black level=dark. Unfortunately, 480i cannot be changed to 480p when using a CableCARD as the source input connection. My question is with CATV will a Panasonic PD/PX50/500U PDP render SD content better using a direct coax connection or with an STB and S-Video?

I think through a STB you potentially have more control over aspect ratio/input resolution but I haven't seen any improvement in PQ with s-video per se for SD material. I have run s-video to try it but have settled on running everything from my STB through component. I have also used the TV tuner a fair amount but have chosen to use the STB for primary viewing (see below).

480p definitely looks better than 480i from the STB but I think it's just because the black level remains consistent with what I have set up for HD. I suspect that with 480i and black level at "dark" you would accomplish the same thing.

I prefer STB over the TV tuner for three reasons. One, I have more control over aspect ratio and can stretch 4:3 HD programs. Two, the TV tuner on my set produces a slight low frequency rumble(only when the TV input is selected) which I can barely hear from where I sit. I'm hoping if I ever use CableCard this will not be the case. Third, call me crazy, but I think HD looks better at 1080i (whether native 720p or 1080i) with this set. It just seems a little sharper and obviously I need the STB to do the conversion.

dtrell

10-11-05, 05:19 PM

Looks like the Panasonic warehouse has been restocked with TH-50PX50U's. I ordered mine yesterday expecting a 45-day wait. I got a notice today that it's been shipped.
netoholic, where did you order it from?

trebor299

10-11-05, 08:05 PM

Hi folks, here is some information I discovered via technical support from Toshiba that applies to my Panny 500u:
I spoke with a tech rep -Steven - who was extremely helpful and patient with a newbie like myself. I had some questions regarding the 5980 dvd player I just purchased. Basically my question had to do whether I should send the signal to my TV via 720p or 1080i. He said that I should send a signal to my tv, whether it's source is from a pc, game system, dvd, ect as close to my set's native resolution as possible. In my case with the 50" panny it would be 768(1366x768). He said that any image that I send to the tv that deviates from the native resolution has to be adjusted to fit into the 768. The closer I can get to the 768, the less work the tv would have to do and the less distortion. Therefore the closest number possible to that would be the 720p. 1080 would be a greater deviation. He said that the difference might not be much, but it would be most noticable in the darker black scenes where you may lose some detail or notice some greying. Can anyone else expand on this? Does that mean that incoming HD broadcasting should be set through my tivo at 720p instead of 1080i? I thought that 1080i would be better? I am connected to my tv through HDMI. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

dtrell

10-11-05, 08:25 PM

T-Stone

10-11-05, 08:53 PM

Input to HDMI from Dishnetwork 811. Very intermittently something goes wrong with the picture, like some type of short or bad circuit. You can still see the picture, but has lines of some type of interference. The lines appear to be in some sort of pattern, and are usually green or gold in color. Sometimes red. Only happens once or twice a day, usually after the plasma has been on at least a couple of hours. Turn the TV off for 10-15 seconds, problem is gone. If I hook up, or use any other imputs, everything seems fine. I also, receive 4 locals, OTA, I receive via the RF inputs. Watched football and racing all day Sunday, never had a problem.

Service rep. is working with Panny, to figure out this problem, so far seem to be clueless. They hope to figure out the problem first, so I'll only be out of service a few hours while they correct the problem. (change one of the boards)

Anyone else have this problem? Right now it's a minor inconvience, but I want it fixed while it's still under warrenty. Absolutely love the plasma, unbelievible picture, figured the ED will do me until more channels are in HD, and I move up to an HD 50"

Thanks
Terry

trebor299

10-11-05, 09:51 PM

dtrell

10-11-05, 10:11 PM

you dont, you just set the box to output all formats...the box will know the native rez of the channel.

cpcat

10-11-05, 10:12 PM

the scaler in your tv is better than any scaler in any cable or satellite box...let the box output the resolution of the channel as broadcast and let the set scale it, be it a 480i channel, 720p channel or 1080i channel. do NOT let the STB convert. as far as your dvd player, the scaler in your tv is better than the scaler/upconverter in the toshiba 5980...let the player output 480i and let the set convert.

This is conventional wisdom. However, let your eyes decide. To me, HD at 1080i looks better on this set (either native or converted from 720p by my LG STB).

Also, read our recent discussion above about the gamma level for 480i on this set. If you feed it 480i from an external source, be sure to adjust brightness or the black level for that input accordingly.

cpcat

10-11-05, 10:20 PM

How do I know what resolution the channel is broadcast at?

ABC-HD, FOX-HD, ESPN-HD are 720p
Everything else HD is 1080i

SD digitals are either 480i or 480p

Most network stations will still broadcast their 4:3 material i.e. daytime shows, news, as upconverts at the network's HD resolution.

Most subchannels will be SD 480i or 480p

Some local affiliates will break the rules a bit, but in general the above will hold.

Most cable boxes, set-top boxes will have a "info" or "recall" button which should tell you the resolution. It may also show in the display window of the unit or on the front.

The Panny will tell you the resolution being fed it by pressing the "recall" button.

netoholic

10-12-05, 04:42 PM

netoholic, where did you order it from?
On the Panasonic website itself, through their online store.

housecor

10-12-05, 05:26 PM

navin johnson

10-12-05, 05:45 PM

Same problem here. I had to go optical straight from the set top box and the dvd player to get dts. Couldn't get it to work through the tv at all.

navin johnson

10-12-05, 05:57 PM

By the way, is it the dvd player, or me? How do you get the letterboxing off the screen while watching widescreen dvd's without distortion? Stupid question but necessary.

trebor299

10-12-05, 07:06 PM

you dont, you just set the box to output all formats...the box will know the native rez of the channel.

I have followed your advise and set my box to output all the different formats. However, the Tivo DVR for direct tv only allows you to output one format at a time that stays steady. It allows you to set one current format setting. I have to toggle back and forth to change the different format settings manually between 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. When I change channels, the format stays at whatever the current setting was placed at. When I hit the recall button on the panny, it only gives me what the current setting is unless I toggle back and forth on the box. I understand the argument of the tv converting whatever signal is sent to it, but if that is the case, then what is the purpose of allowing it to output all those different formats if regardless of the setting, it is going to convert it anyways?
Thanks

cpcat

10-12-05, 08:40 PM

By the way, is it the dvd player, or me? How do you get the letterboxing off the screen while watching widescreen dvd's without distortion? Stupid question but necessary.

16:9 TV's will still show black bars above and below if the movie is filmed at a higher aspect ratio. Typically, movies that are 1.85:1 will fill the screen while higher ratios (a common one is 2.35:1) will still appear letter-boxed.

You can watch it as is or zoom it through either the TV or the DVD player. Zooming will cut off some of the sides of the picture, however.

dtrell

10-12-05, 10:43 PM

Anyone have any luck passing DD5.1 out the optical out when being fed via HDMI? I tried everything last night (turning off the speakers, changing HDMI to setting on my PX500 to digital) but I can't get it to pass DD. My PX500 passes DD5.1 just fine out the optical out when viewing via CC, but it doesn't seem capable of passing a bitstream fed to it from my SA8300 DVR via HDMI - it only passes PCM.

Anyone have any luck?

I'd just like to confirm whether it's my pdp or my DVR that isn't passing DD5.1 via HDMI.
housecor, how does your sa8300hd work with the 500u? do you have any handshale problems? do you get black screens and have to flip back and forth between formats to geta pic somtimes? does your box pass 480I and 480p via hdmi to the 500u? thanks.

copacetic

10-13-05, 07:31 AM

RandyWalters

10-13-05, 09:05 AM

Man, I can't beleive this! I just found out that TV Authority charged my credit card two days after I ordered the TH-42PX500U from them on 9/9/2005 and they never shipped it to me. :mad: Not only did they not call me after the supposed ship date to tell me that they really didn't have it in stock, they also charge my credit card. Two weeks ago Aaron Snell from TV Authority specifically told me that my credit card had not been charged. The main reason I considered buying from TV Authority in the first place was because they are supposed to be a prefered vendor on AVS Forum. This is no way to do business and I don't think TV Authority should be listed as a prefered vendor on this site. Other than this post, is there a channel on AVS Forum to post complaints about issues like this? It's to early to call these bozos but I will later today.It was most likely a simple mistake. I'm sure they did not do this intentionally. It happens from time to time and sometimes things just slip through the cracks. It happens in my business too but it's always a mistake with no malicious intent. You should contact TVA's management and have them credit your card back including any finance charges you've incurred. They are reputable, so why not give them a chance to correct it before coming here to slam them publicly?

RandyWalters

10-13-05, 09:08 AM

housecor, how does your sa8300hd work with the 500u? do you have any handshale problems? do you get black screens and have to flip back and forth between formats to geta pic somtimes? does your box pass 480I and 480p via hdmi to the 500u? thanks.These problems are known to the SA8300HD and have nothing to do with whatever TV you're using it with. It's a topic for the HD Recorders forum and has been discussed a lot there.

optivity

10-13-05, 10:00 AM

Man, I can't beleive this! I just found out that TV Authority charged my credit card two days after I ordered the TH-42PX500U from them on 9/9/2005 and they never shipped it to me. :mad: Not only did they not call me after the supposed ship date to tell me that they really didn't have it in stock, they also charge my credit card. Two weeks ago Aaron Snell from TV Authority specifically told me that my credit card had not been charged. The main reason I considered buying from TV Authority in the first place was because they are supposed to be a prefered vendor on AVS Forum. This is no way to do business and I don't think TV Authority should be listed as a prefered vendor on this site. Other than this post, is there a channel on AVS Forum to post complaints about issues like this? It's to early to call these bozos but I will later today.Despite what some Forum participants may tell you... complaints about TVA regarding their quoted delivery dates and credit card policies have been a recurring theme among individuals who shop there. Once "aired" publicly, the problem is usually resolved to the buyer's satisfaction. Good luck.

A recent example:

"Bad Experience With TVAuthority" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=582351&highlight=TVA
)

cpcat

10-13-05, 10:17 AM

Man, I can't beleive this! I just found out that TV Authority charged my credit card two days after I ordered the TH-42PX500U from them on 9/9/2005 and they never shipped it to me. :mad: Not only did they not call me after the supposed ship date to tell me that they really didn't have it in stock, they also charge my credit card. Two weeks ago Aaron Snell from TV Authority specifically told me that my credit card had not been charged. The main reason I considered buying from TV Authority in the first place was because they are supposed to be a prefered vendor on AVS Forum. This is no way to do business and I don't think TV Authority should be listed as a prefered vendor on this site. Other than this post, is there a channel on AVS Forum to post complaints about issues like this? It's to early to call these bozos but I will later today.

Mistake or not, they shouldn't have charged your cc before shipping. I don't blame you for being upset. I hope it's resolved quickly.

RichB

10-13-05, 10:31 AM

I wonder how often they ship and forget to charge :)

-- Rich

optivity

10-13-05, 10:51 AM

I'm willing to bet... never.

Macfan424

10-13-05, 11:12 AM

I have followed your advise and set my box to output all the different formats. However, the Tivo DVR for direct tv only allows you to output one format at a time that stays steady. It allows you to set one current format setting. I have to toggle back and forth to change the different format settings manually between 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. When I change channels, the format stays at whatever the current setting was placed at. When I hit the recall button on the panny, it only gives me what the current setting is unless I toggle back and forth on the box. I understand the argument of the tv converting whatever signal is sent to it, but if that is the case, then what is the purpose of allowing it to output all those different formats if regardless of the setting, it is going to convert it anyways?
Thanks
While I understand the theoretical argument for passing signals at their native rate, I'm not convinced it makes much difference in the real world.

I have an HR10-250 and leave the output at 1080i most of the time. That's what gives me the best picture, and many Panasonic owners report the same. I switch to 480i only when I want to use the TV's zoom function for letterboxed material, or for low production quality channels/shows, which I enhance through my iScan Ultra processor.

I'm not clear what you meant in your last question, but if you are asking why the HR10-250 allows you to choose between several outputs, it's because different equipment works better with different signals. Panasonic seems to optimize for 1080i input, other manufacturers may choose something else. No matter what, a fixed panel display is going to have to contend with 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i signals, and they are built with that in mind.

If you are asking why the HR10-250 can't be set to output native signal rates like some cable boxes, I've never heard an answer to that, but I suspect there is some arcane technical explanation.

cpcat

10-13-05, 12:22 PM

I have an HR10-250 and leave the output at 1080i most of the time. That's what gives me the best picture, and many Panasonic owners report the same. .

I agree. It just looks a little sharper, especially with football that's native 720p.

x-spyder-x

10-13-05, 01:51 PM

scrapple5

10-13-05, 02:29 PM

I have the 50px50U and Comcast HD package. I am sending the signal via a dvi to hdmi converter and cable. Lately I have begun noticing what appears to be white static at the top edge of the screen when i am view some (not all) sd channels...does not appear in hd. I have tried to move scree position via the stb however, no luck. I tend to think that this is a gigo issue however i was curious to see if anybody else had seen or heard of this (i did a quick search and did not see anything). Thanks for the help

Matt

I too have started to see this problem on my 500U. I typically see it once or twice a day on SD programming only. I noticed that when I change the channel and then go back it's gone. I also noticed that if the problem happens during a show, that it will stop once a commercial comes on, or if the problem happens during a commercial that it will stop once the next commercial starts. I think it only occurs on a few SD channels and not all of them. I am wondering if it is some kind of a broadcast issue?

Also, I am starting to notice on one of my HD channels (KNTV 703, SF Bay Area, Comcast, Motorola 62xx) that every once in a while the screen goes black for a second, I then get a green line or two on the screen and then the picture comes back. Usually the picture takes a few seconds to come back, and while it is coming back, it's digitized (not sure if that's the right term) and is really blocky, like when satellite reception suddenly drops. It also makes a few crackling sounds. I'm assuming this is a Comcast issue since I see it only on one channel, but I can't help but wonder that maybe it's the PDP.

Also, I have tried using both component and a DVI to HDMI cable from the Comcast STB to the 500U and both of them show both these problems.

Any others see these problems?

martyj19

10-13-05, 03:16 PM

The little line at the top is common. People ask about it several times a week. It's part of the signal, not a flaw in the TV.

The issue where the signal disappeared and then came back blocky and the audio crackling would indicate a momentary interruption in the broadcast signal.

RichB

10-13-05, 03:24 PM

The white lines at the top of the screen are usuall the CC information. The station is doing a poor job of framing their 4x3 signal.

-- Rich

trebor299

10-13-05, 05:35 PM

While I understand the theoretical argument for passing signals at their native rate, I'm not convinced it makes much difference in the real world.

I have an HR10-250 and leave the output at 1080i most of the time. That's what gives me the best picture, and many Panasonic owners report the same. I switch to 480i only when I want to use the TV's zoom function for letterboxed material, or for low production quality channels/shows, which I enhance through my iScan Ultra processor.

I'm not clear what you meant in your last question, but if you are asking why the HR10-250 allows you to choose between several outputs, it's because different equipment works better with different signals. Panasonic seems to optimize for 1080i input, other manufacturers may choose something else. No matter what, a fixed panel display is going to have to contend with 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i signals, and they are built with that in mind.

If you are asking why the HR10-250 can't be set to output native signal rates like some cable boxes, I've never heard an answer to that, but I suspect there is some arcane technical explanation.

Thanks Macfan you helped clear up some issues for me. Two more questions for you:
1. You mentioned that you leave the output at 1080i most of the time. Is it fair to say when watching sports or action movies, you should switch over to 720p. According to the DVR manual, it states that 720p excels when there is lots of action.
2. You mentioned an iscan ultraprocessor. What is this used for and is it worth it? Do you own it only for watching sd channels? How much of a difference does it really make? Does it enhance the pq of the 500u?
Thanks

JerryNY

10-13-05, 06:26 PM

1. You mentioned that you leave the output at 1080i most of the time. Is it fair to say when watching sports or action movies, you should switch over to 720p. According to the DVR manual, it states that 720p excels when there is lots of action.

This is incorrect. Content that originated in 720p may be better for fast action but if all the cable box is doing is converting from one format to another like 1080i to 720p that advantage is lost. The panny's seem to do better receiving 1080i but in the end you are just better off letting the DVR output whatever the native format of the program is and let the TV do the rest. If it cannot do this I would just leave it set to 1080i.

-Jerry C.

cpcat

10-13-05, 06:29 PM

I'll say it again: Let your eyes decide.

If there's no discernible difference, then set it on whatever is the most convenient.

cpcat

10-13-05, 07:27 PM

copacetic

10-13-05, 09:03 PM

Despite what some Forum participants may tell you... complaints about TVA regarding their quoted delivery dates and credit card policies have been a recurring theme among individuals who shop there. Once "aired" publicly, the problem is usually resolved to the buyer's satisfaction. Good luck.

A recent example:

"Bad Experience With TVAuthority" (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=582351&highlight=TVA
)

Thanks for the information Optivity. Tonight, I was contacted by TVA and they apologized for billing my credit card. Also as luck would have it, they told me that they had 3 42PX500Us that just became available and that it might be possible that I could get delivery possibly tomorrow or next week. I'll let you all know what happens. It appears that Panasonic is starting to ship these models again to replenish the abrupt shortage. Hopefully that is the case since a lot of us have been waiting on the 42 and 50 inch models.

pilotct

10-13-05, 10:18 PM

Hello all. I have a 3 day old Panasonic 42PX50U plasma panel. It has a narrow, horizontal white line about 1" from the bottom of the screen all the way across. Any thoughts?

RandyWalters

10-13-05, 11:05 PM

Hello all. I have a 3 day old Panasonic 42PX50U plasma panel. It has a narrow, horizontal white line about 1" from the bottom of the screen all the way across. Any thoughts?Is it caused by a particular video source? If not, then it could be defective and if you determine that it is indeed defective have your supplier replace it.

housecor

10-14-05, 01:25 AM

Everyone who's willing and has access to ESPN-HD watch the Clemson-NC state game tonight (at least for a bit). It's native 720p. Assuming you have a way to change resolution, see if you can tell any difference on your Panny with 1080i vs 720p and report back. I think this should be interesting.

You could throw in the MLB game on FOX which is also native 720p. FOX HD just isn't quite as good usually, though.

Okay, I wouldn't have guessed it, but both ESPN and Fox do look better when output from my DVR via 1080i than at their native 720p! Apparently these Pannies, like many sets, are optimized for 1080i. The image looks sharper and "feels" more detailed at 1080i. Plus, no annoying res switch between HD stations. So strangely, in this case I actually prefer the picture of the DVR via component over CC.

Considering the good picture via composite for SD and the ability to have separate picture modes for each input, I may almost be coming around to using my DVR for normal viewing...I'm sure Randy smiles reading this. Only thing that stops me is while SD PQ is good, but still isn't as noiseless and clear as the direct coax connection using the CC. I'll dig out my cable and try the S-Vid connection again since some are reporting great results, though last time I tried it I found it was still 2nd place.

housecor

10-14-05, 02:05 AM

PX500 firmware update = a couple random clicks after power off on PX500. I applied the update which resolved a CC firmware update issue I was having, but now I get two sets of "powerdown" type clicks a minute or two after shutdown. Given, it's a minor annoyance that the other 8th gens already have, but I was glad to find mine was completely silent after shutdown. No more.

Also, noticed tint adjustment is now colored in the menus. Otherwise, all else seems the same.

cpcat

10-14-05, 07:50 AM

Okay, I wouldn't have guessed it, but both ESPN and Fox do look better when output from my DVR via 1080i than at their native 720p! Apparently these Pannies, like many sets, are optimized for 1080i. The image looks sharper and "feels" more detailed at 1080i. Plus, no annoying res switch between HD stations. So strangely, in this case I actually prefer the picture of the DVR via component over CC.

.

I found the same. Especially on FOX MLB. I didn't see as big a difference with ESPN. ESPN's PQ didn't seem quite up to par to me for last night's game.

CSI looked amazing last night. It's interesting how HD PQ seems to vary even on the same channel with the same show.

pilotct

10-14-05, 08:28 AM

martyj19

10-14-05, 11:10 AM

Thanks, Randy. I don't know much about this stuff. I assume you mean try a dvd player or vcr through the component inputs, for example, and see if the line is still there. If it is, then it's clearly a defect. If not, could it be the cable signal?

It can't be the signal. Something is broken. Most likely the TV is broken, but Randy wants you to try another source to see if by chance it is the source that is broken.

Macfan424

10-14-05, 12:50 PM

Thanks Macfan you helped clear up some issues for me. Two more questions for you:
1. You mentioned that you leave the output at 1080i most of the time. Is it fair to say when watching sports or action movies, you should switch over to 720p. According to the DVR manual, it states that 720p excels when there is lots of action.
2. You mentioned an iscan ultra processor. What is this used for and is it worth it? Do you own it only for watching sd channels? How much of a difference does it really make? Does it enhance the pq of the 500u?
Thanks
Several people answered the first question before I got back here. My inclination is to not bother changing outputs from channel to channel, but I'll second the notion that you try it both ways and decide for yourself.

The manual states the rationale broadcasters use to decide between transmitting in 720p or 1080i. It probably would be more apparent on large front projection sets, but on my 42" plasma fed OTA signals through the TV's internal tuner, I don't see much difference between sporting events on Fox or ABC (720p) and CBS, NBC or WGN (1080i). I find the 720p OTA channels to be virtually indistinguishable out of the HR10-250 through HDMI at 1080i from the same channels through the TV's internal tuner.

As for your second question, I got the iScan Ultra primarily to use with my laserdisc and good, but non-progressive scan DVD players. It has a better de-interlacing circuit than can be found in any TV I'm aware of and excels those used in all but the megabucks top of the line DVD players. However, these differences are much less than they were a couple of years ago when the iScan Ultra was introduced.

I discovered that it made a great improvement in D* signals from my old RCA receiver. However, when I got the HR10-250, I found it delivered a vastly improved picture over HDMI, and I've been content to use it that way most of the time. It isn't as good as the iScan, but it is close enough that I don't usually switch over for casual viewing (partly because I don't watch much SD any more). As I said before, I do switch to watch letter-boxed SD shows like Over There or Battlestar Galactica or when the original PQ is very poor, like The Daily Show.

While I consider the iScan a bargain at $300, if your only use is for SD content out of the HR10-250, it's probably a luxury, unless you are an inveterate tweaker determined to eke out every tiny improvement possible.

caesar1

10-16-05, 09:40 PM

tip for you comcast motorola box users out there... remember to power your comcast box off then hit menu then change the display to 720p and then change it to stretch mode for the 480i channels

I've read elsewhere that although the native resolution is 720 for these plasmas, they actually scale video up to 1080 -- so it might be better to set the box to 1080? Or am I wrong?

caesar1

10-16-05, 09:43 PM

The auto program feature that automatically scans all available channels is not available while the CableCARD is inserted; as specified on page 30 or your owner's manual.

Is there a method to get all available channels then if you use a cable card? In other words, what do you do to get the channels, if you only use a cable card?

cpcat

10-17-05, 07:15 AM

I've read elsewhere that although the native resolution is 720 for these plasmas, they actually scale video up to 1080 -- so it might be better to set the box to 1080? Or am I wrong?

Native res. is 1366 x 768 (50 inch) or 1024 x 768 (42 inch) and everything is converted to 768p. The 37 inch is the only size that has a native rez of 720p.

For whatever reason 1080i input (regardless of the programs's original rez) seems to look a little better (I have the 50 inch) to some including me. I'd let your eyes decide.

rdfarr

10-17-05, 08:41 AM

nashvillecat

10-17-05, 09:05 AM

Is there a method to get all available channels then if you use a cable card? In other words, what do you do to get the channels, if you only use a cable card?

The channels are pre-programmed into the cc. You can't even do a scan for channels. The only actions you have are to add/delete channels manually. (believe me, I've tried). It's as if the cc has taken control of your channels. :mad:

nc

RandyWalters

10-17-05, 09:25 AM

The instructions for my ED TH-42PD50U states that the default picture setting should be "vivid."

This is a very pleasing setting for viewing - bright with saturated colors - but I'm concerned that this setting will reduce the life of the screen relative to the setting of "standard," which is less bright and less colorful. I'd like to use vivid all the time, but I'm using standard due to this concern. Any comments on this issue?Actually it says that Vivid is the default setting which means that's what mode it's in from the factory. They recommend you use this setting for very bright rooms but i've found it's too much for regular SD cable so i use Standard for SD. I do use Vivid for HD and DVD though, with drastically different picture and color settings.

For the first few hundred hours you shoud probably use the Standard or Cinema mode and set the Contrast very low until it's broken in.

mister_two

10-17-05, 11:46 AM

My 42PD50 had a hiccup last night while watching Desperate housewives. I have Comcast cable with no STB, a direct hookup to 42PD50. During commercial I go and change the channel by pressing channel up and the plasma went berserk. It keeps going channel up - none stop, like it was doing some type of channel scan. I turn the tv off and the power led goes off but it continues to channel surf. How do I know? I have the sound hooked up to my receiver and I can hear the different channels changing. Power back on, still it won't stop channel surfing. I finally powered off and unplugged the tv from the wall. This finally killed the channel surfing. Waited a few minutes and turned it back on and plasma is fine.

Anyone else had this problem before? Or heard of a problem like this? I hope it's not a harbinger of things to come.

nashvillecat

10-17-05, 12:10 PM

Number_6

10-17-05, 12:11 PM

Mister_two, My PD50's tuner is flaky. Sometimes it will jump multiple channels when surfing. Sometimes it "gives up" on digital channels due to temporary interference and won't re-tune them without a rescan. Sometimes it turns on closed captioning randomly. And it won't tune all the QAM cable station's its supposed to be getting.

This morning I turned the TV on, forgetting to turn on my powered (amplified) OTA antenna first. This caused the to TV freak out and lose picture (but not sound) on all digital channels. Turning the TV off and on again fixed it. Why does the digital tuner seem so unable to gracefully recover from signal problems?

I like the image quality and still recommend the Panasonics to friends...but the tuner is buggy. And the lack of multiple RF inputs and/or separate channel maps for cable and OTA make combined cable and OTA use difficult. I think tuner is the biggest item that needs improvement on Panasonic. (Also would be nice to have aspect control for 1080i/720p).

cajun joe

10-17-05, 12:16 PM

I'm in NY and just got my TH-42PD25U last week. Now I just need help to create a nice sounding home system. If you guys have any suggestions I'd appreciate it. I am on a budget.

martyj19

10-17-05, 12:22 PM

I've got an odd sympton also when changeing channels. I notice that sometimes, I see the channel being slowly "painted" when changeing channels (like a slow transition between chennels). Has onyone seen this ebfore?

Is this a problem with my cableCARD or the tuners in my panel?

I should also mention that its a 50PX50U - with no other things attached except a cable ant and a cableCARD.

This is an example of a very highly compressed channel.

Bud-man

10-17-05, 12:27 PM

I'm in NY and just got my TH-42PD25U last week. Now I just need help to create a nice sounding home system. If you guys have any suggestions I'd appreciate it. I am on a budget.

A 25U?, thought those were looonnngggg gone?

mister_two

10-17-05, 12:28 PM

optivity

10-17-05, 01:31 PM

I've got an odd sympton also when changeing channels. I notice that sometimes, I see the channel being slowly "painted" when changeing channels (like a slow transition between chennels). Has onyone seen this ebfore?

Is this a problem with my cableCARD or the tuners in my panel?

I should also mention that its a 50PX50U - with no other things attached except a cable ant and a cableCARD.This is an example of a very highly compressed channel.On occasion, I've observed the same behavior with my 50PX50U using the CableCARD interface. Changing away from and then back to the channel usually resolves the problem.

dchester

10-17-05, 02:07 PM

On occasion, I've observed the same behavior with my 50PX50U using the CableCARD interface. Changing away from and then back to the channel usually resolves the problem.
The same thing happens occasionally on my 50PX500U. Changing away and back works for me as well.

catslick

10-17-05, 03:41 PM

avavman

10-17-05, 04:24 PM

6, before last night the only other problem I have had is occasionally it won't tune in a digital HD station. I rememeber one time I was watching Smallville on WB and the picture keeps breaking up and eventually it just showed a blank screen (poor signal, or some message like that). I had to go back to the analog WB station to finish the show. But that only happened once and I figured it was a problem on Comcast's side.

Before last night I would wholeheartedly recommend plasmas to my friends but now I am not so sure.

ON my 42PD, I get the same problem occasionally(I am trying to see if there is a pattern, it seems to happen when I tune to a HD channel and they are not transmitting,, after that occurence I can no longer tune to that channel), I check the signal strength and that has not changed from the high 80%. I resolve the problem by doing a channel scan (and removing the unwanted channels all over again).

avavman

10-17-05, 04:31 PM

mister_two

10-17-05, 04:52 PM

Tuner definitely needs improvemend and bugs removed. (PD42U)
- takes too long to change channels
-
Now I can channel scan and edit my channels manually like a Pro!

I have had this problem too, when changing channels between HD stations. There's a pause/blank screen for about 2 seconds before displaying picture. I have been told this is normal. When changing channels between SD stations it's fine, it's intantaneous just like other TVs. It's a little annoying but I am use to it.

jonesad

10-17-05, 05:56 PM

Actually it says that Vivid is the default setting which means that's what mode it's in from the factory. They recommend you use this setting for very bright rooms but i've found it's too much for regular SD cable so i use Standard for SD. I do use Vivid for HD and DVD though, with drastically different picture and color settings.

For the first few hundred hours you shoud probably use the Standard or Cinema mode and set the Contrast very low until it's broken in.

When the guy came to do my ISF calibration, he pointed out how bad Vivid can be for your set - it adds all types of edge enhancment to the picture displayed on screen. I would stay away from vivid, even after your 100 hour burn in period. (just my opinion).

SaintsMan

10-17-05, 06:04 PM

You guys gaming on the 42PX HD Plasma? Have any problems, hows the picture?

ninja_blade

10-17-05, 06:05 PM

Macfan424

10-17-05, 06:19 PM

I have a 50PX50u, and the vivid setting appears to be more than just factory preset contrast, brightness, ... settings. In other words, if I manually set the vivid settings to the same values in standard or cinema, the picture still looks more "vivid". Am I just imagining this, or do others see the same thing?
No, you are not imagining it. They are distinct settings, parts of which cannot be changed by the user. I've read they each have different Gamma settings, if nothing else.

ninja_blade

10-17-05, 06:32 PM

^^Thanks Macfan424. Different Gamma makes sense based on the differences I can see in the picture.

cpcat

10-17-05, 06:42 PM

No, you are not imagining it. They are distinct settings, parts of which cannot be changed by the user. I've read they each have different Gamma settings, if nothing else.

I agree. This was similar on my GWIII as well. It seems that setting the black level to "dark" in Cinema mode and increasing sharpness to 15 makes it roughly equivalent to Standard mode set "light" with all other settings equal (sharpness at zero in Standard). I've been playing with Cinema to make it equivalent so as to be able to decrease/disable the picture fluctuation/anti burn-in feature if I want.

mqj

10-18-05, 09:34 AM

Well I finally took the plunge last night on a 50px50u. [edited to make sure that I don't have any frowned-on pricing information here :p ]

They SAY they have it in the warehouse, so I'll be picking it up Friday :D

The plan was to wait until our new house was complete (beginning of Dec. or so), but feh - I wanted it and the wife wanted it so why not start now. :p

jcinzano

10-18-05, 12:21 PM

toneman

10-18-05, 12:40 PM

got a problem.

i can get the 50px50u for about two hundred less than the 50phd8uk.

the only thing that's holding me back is that i'm told the 8UK is more tweakable in regards to PQ. my questions: has anybody hacked the service menu on the consumer models? have you been able to achieve accurate grayscale, etc., with the units? accordig to cnet, you can't do this with the conumers. thanks.

i hope i can get an answer on this, i'm looking to pull the trigger today
If you need that kind of adjustability, then the PX50u isn't the one to get...

Believe me--if it were possible on the PX50u, us PX50u owners would have been already all over it like white on rice! :D

RandyWalters

10-18-05, 03:02 PM

got a problem.

i can get the 50px50u for about two hundred less than the 50phd8uk.

the only thing that's holding me back is that i'm told the 8UK is more tweakable in regards to PQ. my questions: has anybody hacked the service menu on the consumer models? have you been able to achieve accurate grayscale, etc., with the units? accordig to cnet, you can't do this with the conumers. thanks.

i hope i can get an answer on this, i'm looking to pull the trigger todaySome ISF'ers now supposedly have access to grayscale via an older modified remote control of some sort, but you have to find an ISF'er that can do this. I know Gregg Loewen has the ability, and another guy who posts here can do it. Mere mortals cannot though.

Knievel

10-18-05, 03:09 PM

jcinzano,
Check out this post:
ISF Calibration (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6245769&&#post6245769)

cpcat

10-18-05, 09:56 PM

I agree. This was similar on my GWIII as well. It seems that setting the black level to "dark" in Cinema mode and increasing sharpness to 15 makes it roughly equivalent to Standard mode set "light" with all other settings equal (sharpness at zero in Standard). I've been playing with Cinema to make it equivalent so as to be able to decrease/disable the picture fluctuation/anti burn-in feature if I want.

I have found that this was incorrect. It seems that the black level setting and the picture mode setting are independent of one another. Both are saved per input (with picture mode only the *mode* is saved). For example, if you have Cinema set to "dark" on one input and you change inputs, the black setting will change to whatever the new input had been on prior independent of the mode setting. This seems to hold for all the modes.

This led to my above incorrect assumption. It doesn't seem to be possible to create settings in Cinema which are equivalent to Standard no matter what settings I've tried so far. I can get it pretty close but it always seems a little softer and the blacks don't seem quite as dark in Cinema.

jcinzano

10-18-05, 11:14 PM

jcinzano,
Check out this post:
ISF Calibration (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6245769&&#post6245769)

Thanks, that's helpful. So the red push or green push can be corrected using tint/color controls and such, right? so the only outstanding issue is grayscale and a supplement is going to be issued explaining how to do it at some point? (even if only issued to calibration experts, i have to assume it's going to leak onto the boards at some point). to me that might just tip the scale, esp. if nobody here is upset about the grayscale PQ quality otherwise.

i do remember there was a thread months ago that speculated that the commerical units will have improved .. oh, what was it? ... the amount of processing for a smoother picture or some such. is that the case?

thanks, realize i'm sounding like a newbie. i've actually followed and posted on these boards for months, but now that it's my turn to buy ... suddenly feel full of concerns!

cpcat

10-19-05, 08:05 AM

optivity

10-19-05, 09:11 AM

It sounds more and more to me like the only compelling reason to go commercial would be if you are using a PC or a scaler.Right, while the major advantage for consumer models is the CableCARD interface which enables the TV to use it's internal tuner/scaler to process the incoming signal.

housecor

10-19-05, 11:43 AM

It sounds more and more to me like the only compelling reason to go commercial would be if you are using a PC or a scaler. The PX50U's don't have a PC input and the 500U's has oversaturated reds for the PC input. It's confirmed that the DVI and PC inputs on the commercial don't allow for color and tint adjustment. Whether HDMI does is up in the air.

HDMI on my PX500 is adjustable for saturation, regardless of what is hooked up to it. That's why I sometimes use the HDMI input from my PC when viewing pictures so I can adjust saturation to the proper level. However, as mentioned before, it doesn't look as crisp as VGA - though this is difficult to detect when just viewing pictures. For viewing DVDs from my PC, I just adjust the saturation within zoomplayer.

umr

10-19-05, 12:08 PM

Some ISF'ers now supposedly have access to grayscale via an older modified remote control of some sort, but you have to find an ISF'er that can do this. I know Gregg Loewen has the ability, and another guy who posts here can do it. Mere mortals cannot though.

I have the ability and have done several with great success.

jcinzano

10-19-05, 12:43 PM

I have the ability and have done several with great success.

but a remote was required? ... i suppose if you can do it with a remote, there must be a way to do it with a code, since that's what a remote basically imputs...

optivity

10-19-05, 01:05 PM

Right, "give" us the code and don't say it's: 4 8 15 16 23 42 :D

jcinzano

10-19-05, 01:09 PM

thanks hurley

Bud-man

10-19-05, 01:11 PM

Maybe we can add the PM50u to the thread header?
Is this the ONLY mexican made panny out?

Michael TLV

10-19-05, 01:16 PM

jcinzano

10-19-05, 01:20 PM

Greetings

That's the problem with official and non-official non-disclosure agreements. You are supposed to abide by them. If you leak the information and it gets out that you are the source of the leak, you lose vital contacts in the industry as a result. A heavy price to pay ...

Regards

bosh ... i don't have one yet, so i don't care ... yet ... but i can't think of anything less sensitive than tv service menu access codes. compared to all the stuff that leaks on the internet, especially.....

optivity

10-19-05, 01:24 PM

thanks hurleyWhile I admit to putting on some "Marriage Weight" during the past 20 years... the airlines don't charge me for an extra seat when I buy a plane ticket. :p

of course on the cruise ship, I don't look as good in a speedo :eek: as I use to either

optivity

10-19-05, 01:30 PM

Greetings

That's the problem with official and non-official non-disclosure agreements. You are supposed to abide by them. If you leak the information and it gets out that you are the source of the leak, you lose vital contacts in the industry as a result. A heavy price to pay ...

RegardsGo ahead, PM me with the details... I'll be "glad" to publish them on the Internet & "take all the credit" too! :)

Unless "they" threaten me with jail... because then I'll squeal like a pig!

cpcat

10-19-05, 02:31 PM

HDMI on my PX500 is adjustable for saturation, regardless of what is hooked up to it. That's why I sometimes use the HDMI input from my PC when viewing pictures so I can adjust saturation to the proper level. However, as mentioned before, it doesn't look as crisp as VGA - though this is difficult to detect when just viewing pictures. For viewing DVDs from my PC, I just adjust the saturation within zoomplayer.

Just to clarify, I was referring to the ability (or lack thereof) to adjust saturation and tint on the HDMI input board of the commercial 8UK model.

brad79

10-20-05, 12:59 AM

So Comcast chicago finally was able to install my cable card and it is working...sort of...

they quickly took my box and left, now I am only getting 1/2 of the stations (no HBO) and the sound isn't working on many channels...any fix I can do or do I need to call comcast again (please tell me I don't need comcast help anymore!)

dtrell

10-20-05, 07:29 AM

ok we wont tell you that...but obviously they need to rehit the card...why exactly did he leave before you found out if ALL the channels were working? pretty lame..

housecor

10-20-05, 10:01 AM

PX500 PC input oversaturation issue resolved!!!

I won't take credit for this fix, since atl001 actually came up with the idea, but I don't think he posted it here.

To adjust saturation on the PC input on the PX500:
1. Enter SM
2. Select color under PICT-ADJ
3. Select the PC input
4. Note your current color setting in the SM and the user menu
5. Decrease saturation on the PC input by lowering the color setting in the SM(!)
6. Since decreasing color in the SM decreases color on all inputs, exit the SM (by shutting off the TV) and turn color up in the user menu on each input equal to the amount you just lowered color in the SM. For example, if you lowered color in the SM by 20 notches, increase color in the user menu on each input 20 notches.

Now my PC input looks awesome. No more oversaturated "sun burnt" looking faces. I ended up settling on a color settings in my SM of 1F and user color settings around +5.

Like many, I complained about the red push on the PC input, but after adjusting saturation to normal levels, I can no longer detect a push - though I'm sure there's still technically a push (haven't checked with DVE) it's not detectable to my eyes anymore. This little trick made my day. Thanks to atl001 for the tip!!

To give credit where it's due - Here's his original post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6376475&&#post6376475) with explanation

Bud-man

10-20-05, 10:03 AM

Housecor you said that adjusts all settings?
I just bought the PM50 and noticed esp on SD content the overcolored clayface issue, whats the sequence to access SM?

housecor

10-20-05, 10:06 AM

Housecor you said that adjusts all settings?
I just bought the PM50 and noticed esp on SD content the overcolored clayface issue, whats the sequence to access SM?

I'm sure this is already posted someone in this thread, but here ya go:
"While pressing the VOLUME - (minus) button on the Plasma,
press the "RECALL" button on the Remote Control 3 times in a row (within 2 seconds).
Switch off the power (Using the remote or the plasma button) to exit the service menu."

Also, yes, this lowers saturation on all inputs which is why you have to notch up the user settings after the SM change, but I don't know why you'd do this for the PM50. Just use the user menu to adjust saturation in that case. This fix was only needed since the color setting in the user menu is disabled on the PC input for the PX500.

Bud-man

10-20-05, 10:11 AM

Ok gotcha now Cory, i really wanted to find out how to access the SM, when i had a Akai when using DVI input the color/tint were greyed out...same scenario

Michael TLV

10-20-05, 10:43 AM

Greetings

Sometimes ... if tint and color and blanked out ... it may be that the controls of one of the other modes also controls this mode. Check it out ... worth a try.

Regards

aark1996

10-20-05, 12:13 PM

Macfan424

10-20-05, 12:26 PM

I thought I would jump over to this thread to get some impressions. I have been going back and fourth from the pana 50-50 and sony 50 srxd. Anyone have any input? I wanted the closest thing to crt tube, and was all set to pull the trigger on the pany but saw the sony and am now having second thought. I can get both for about the same $. That is not an issue. Burn in is also not an issue. Its totally about pq. Anyone? I am not goig to hang it on the wall,so the size is not a concern. Having looked at both in several stores, an after tweaking sets as best as I could, it looks like the sony has a slight advantage. What do you guys think?
Asking that here is like going to a kennel and asking if cats are better than dogs. :D

Before all the "Panasonic Rules" type answers roll in, I just suggest you let your own eyes be the judge. If you like Sony better, go for it.

(Yes, I'm one of those very happy Panasonic owners, too. ;) )

Bud-man

10-20-05, 12:40 PM

A 50" looking like a CRT?, def not on any SD material for sure, a 42" has a hard time looking anything close to a CRT on the same SD channel.

RandyWalters

10-20-05, 02:22 PM

A 50" looking like a CRT?, def not on any SD material for sure, a 42" has a hard time looking anything close to a CRT on the same SD channel.I dunno bout that - SD on my 42" PX50 looks 95% as good as it did on my CT-32HXC43 HD tube TV. I had them side by side for a day of testing and was pleasantly surprised at how close i was able to get it to look. I get an excellent signal from TWC so that helps alot. Some of my friends actually think the Ch 7 local news is in HD, it's almost DVD quality.

housecor

10-20-05, 02:23 PM

Greetings

Sometimes ... if tint and color and blanked out ... it may be that the controls of one of the other modes also controls this mode. Check it out ... worth a try.

Regards

Good point. I'd already thought of that and tried it first. No dice. Thankfully, the SM fix did the trick.

Ninjahedge

10-20-05, 02:27 PM

If you like $ony, go for $ony.

$ony makes $ome good $tuff on it$ higher end merchandi$e, but you al$o end up paying for their name.

Oh, and their $ervice plan$ leave $omething to be de$ired a$ well......

aark1996

10-20-05, 02:55 PM

I guess my question would be for those of you who have seen lcos and plasma, what do you think looks more like crt? I have seen displays where the pana looks brighter and I have seen displays where the sony looks brighter. I am not sold on the sony over pana. I have had great luck with both in the past. :D

Michael TLV

10-20-05, 03:02 PM

Greetings

The Sony LCOS RPTV's that I have calibrated look the closest to CRT based RPTVs so far.

I find the good plasma sets look closest to CRT tube sets. Panasonic units ... yes. Samsung Units ... no.

Regards

Clepto

10-20-05, 04:09 PM

How come their cheapest model has the best contrast ratio of any of their sets?

EDs get better CR than HDs, dunno if it comes from having less pixels to drive, or what.

Macfan424

10-20-05, 04:29 PM

EDs get better CR than HDs, dunno if it comes from having less pixels to drive, or what.
Bigger ones, or so I read somewhere.

cpcat

10-20-05, 08:10 PM

A 50" looking like a CRT?, def not on any SD material for sure, a 42" has a hard time looking anything close to a CRT on the same SD channel.

That's a hard comparison to do since the larger CRT's are RP or FP only.

cpcat

10-20-05, 08:16 PM

I thought I would jump over to this thread to get some impressions. I have been going back and fourth from the pana 50-50 and sony 50 srxd. Anyone have any input? I wanted the closest thing to crt tube, and was all set to pull the trigger on the pany but saw the sony and am now having second thought. I can get both for about the same $. That is not an issue. Burn in is also not an issue. Its totally about pq. Anyone? I am not goig to hang it on the wall,so the size is not a concern. Having looked at both in several stores, an after tweaking sets as best as I could, it looks like the sony has a slight advantage. What do you guys think?

It came down to these two for me as well. I went Panny for the form factor, direct view look and better viewing angle, and the fact that the SXRD with the dumbo ears would have been difficult to fit in my space. I've never seen the SXRD, but I can tell you the Panny does seem in many ways like a big, flat, CRT to me.

I'd echo the advice to try and look at both of them. I'd say you'd be happy with either.

Jake04Goat

10-21-05, 10:59 AM

I was browsing around and saw that for a firmware upgrade on the 50U sets, there's an SD card slot behind the CC slot. The manual I downloaded makes no mention of this but you can see it in the diagrams. The specs on the Panasonic website and everywhere else say that there is no SD slot. There has to be a slot there for the firmware updates though. My question is, can you view pictures on the set with the SD slot or is it only capable of doing updates?

dtrell

10-21-05, 01:06 PM

or is it just a hole with no electronics on the other side of it.

bwithka

10-21-05, 09:53 PM

After all the good info I got from here, I just ordered my PD50. I am hoping that I am not disappointed. Any advise on setting it up?

silentknight095

10-22-05, 12:59 AM

Has anybody got a 50in and took it back because it felt to big or got a 42in and took it back for a 50in ? I want to get a 50in but think it will feel real big coming from my 27in.

darthjames

10-22-05, 01:53 AM

Well the 500U I ordered about 2 months ago finally arrived today but I can't set it up as I'm still waiting on a wall mount and we're moving into a new home in 2 weeks. I'm sort of undecided what to do with it as the house we're buying came w/ a free 50" plasma (That's right... free. Apparantly the guy who sold it wanted a newer bigger one.. *shrug*)

The TV that the guy left behind is a TH-50PHD7UY and its currently mounted where I want to put the new 500U.

My question is whether or not I can reuse the wallmount that the 50PHD7UY is hangin on for the 500U? That would be excellent if so, as I can have the guy who is coming to do the installation put the new wall mount somewhere else in my home (hopefully my office, but I doubt the wife would let that one fly....)

lipcrkr

10-22-05, 04:24 AM

optivity

10-22-05, 08:41 AM

It use to be when we sold our homes we had to part up the obligatory $3000 chandelier hanging in the dining room... now it's a plasma TV too! :eek:

ElwayLite

10-23-05, 10:38 AM

Sorry if this is an already asked question, I tried reading all 157 pages but my eyes became crossed!

I found a couple of discussions on the way about EDTV and a STB(720 or 1080) input signal but there were not any definite answers on which one is the best (if any).

I saw were people had stated the panasonic converts to 1080 then to 480 so wouldn't it make more sense to set my Comcast Motorola HD box to 1080 instead of 720 because it would be less conversion?

I was thinking if you had the STB at 720, a 720 signal would be converted to 1080 by the STB then 480 by the panny(2 steps) while a 1080 would go to 720 at the STB, then back to 1080 at the TV and then to 480 at the tv(3 steps). While setting the STB to display 1080 causes less conversion on a 1080 signal(2 steps instead of 3) and the same basically on a 720 signal.

Is this correct or does the amount of upconversion and down conversion not degrade picture?

I have a new panny edtv 42" plasma if that helps.

Macfan424

10-23-05, 11:25 AM

Without worrying about why, it seems most Panasonic ED owners find their sets look better with 1080 input than with 720. It's not a huge difference either way, though.

dtrell

10-23-05, 01:29 PM

ElwayLite

10-23-05, 01:40 PM

petenaz

10-23-05, 02:45 PM

What do you think about the Onyx and this set? Does it still look as good on picture quality? Is it worht the extra money for the Onyx really?

dtrell

10-23-05, 04:13 PM

Thanks guys, I'll keep the motorola box at 1080 due to less conversion by it. Guess on the other hand I could always change it depending on the channel I'm watching to make sure the box has no part in conversion.
you need to allow all output formats...dont just set the box at 1080i. then whatever channel you flip to, the native res of that channel will be sent to the tv.

ElwayLite

10-23-05, 04:18 PM

The comcast HDTV DVR forces you to chose 720p or 1080i. My best alternative other than leaving it on 1080i is to switch depending on what HD channel I'm watching.

dtrell

10-23-05, 05:32 PM

to make a box like that is just totally idiotic.

scottro

10-23-05, 07:30 PM

to make a box like that is just totally idiotic.

Maybe so, but that wasn't the question. ;)
I'm part of the 1080i camp for the Moto box as well.

ElwayLite

10-23-05, 10:34 PM

Maybe so, but that wasn't the question. ;)
I'm part of the 1080i camp for the Moto box as well.

Very true. I have a few complaints, but the moto i feel is a pretty good dvr. I love the dual tuner.

02ephatch

10-23-05, 11:40 PM

I purchased the 37PX50U today. Can someone point to where I can find some picture settings? I took it off vivid and set it to normal, and turned down the contrast and sharpness, and the picture looks great. But, I notice that reds aren't very red and greens aren't very green. Thanks!

copacetic

10-24-05, 12:11 AM

Well, I got my new 42PX500U from TV Authority delivered last Friday. :D It is totally awesome! I want to thank everyone on avsforum for the excellent information that helped me with my decision process. The information that is available on this site is great.

Here are some stats on the unit that some of you may want to know:

Build date: September 2005

Built in Mexico.

With the volume at zero or mute, there is no buzz sound at all. So far it is totally silent.

I watched Batman Returns last night on DVD and it was fantastic. For me, it was well worth the wait for this unit. I can't check this site that often and when I do, it is late in the day, so if you ask me a question, I will get back to you as soon as I can.

I have toned down the settings as suggested on this site for the first 100 hours, but for some reason, I can't seem to change the "Black level" to "light". When I down arrow to that setting, it seems to automatically get skipped so I can't change it. I am doing this through "Picture" settings from the menu and then "Other adjust". Is there another setting I need to change somewhere else so that I can change "Black level" from dark to light?

These are my current settings:

Standard
Picture: -5
Brightness: -3
Color: 0
Tint: -8
Sharp: 0
Color Temp: normal
Color Mng. : off
CATS: off
Black level: dark

Thanks :)

USCTrojan

10-24-05, 12:57 AM

I had my 37" pany plasma (50U) calibrated by an ISF technition. In all honesty I did not see that much difference between what he did and what my settings were using the DBX optimizer that is included with the Monsters Inc. DVD. In hind site I would have saved the money. My set had over 100 hours of break in which the tech said is fine. He said prior to that the TV needs to have its settings much lower (I had Pict a +2, bright +0 and could barely stand it knowing the true capability)
ISF Calibrated Standard Pic setting:
Picture: +12
Brightness: +10
Color: +2 (personal tast I put +4)
Tint: -4
Sharp: +0 (+3 personal taste)
Color Temp: normal
Color Mng. : off

miloauckerman

10-24-05, 01:56 AM

RandyWalters

10-24-05, 02:15 AM

Well, I got my new 42PX500U........

These are my current settings:

Standard
Picture: -5
Brightness: -3
Color: 0
Tint: -8
Sharp: 0
Color Temp: normal
Color Mng. : off
CATS: off
Black level: darkAre those settings for SD or are they for HD? SD doesn't look very good if you're watching it on the HD input and using the HD picture settings.

Regardless, there's really no point in determining the best settings until the plasma is fully broken in, whereupon you can cut loose with the Contrast setting to give it some punch. My break-in settings gave a dismal dull awful picture, but once i got a few hundred hours on it i cranked things up and it really came alive.

Bud-man

10-24-05, 06:40 AM

I cant find anything in the service menu about hours used or started times...under what area is it in?
Maybe the PM model doesnt have this feature?

optivity

10-24-05, 07:40 AM

I don't find any mention of this information -

I see in the Cnet review of the PX50 that it can't be switched to 4:3 on HD sources. Does that include standard DVDs? As I mentioned in another thread, my parents have asked me to look into a TV for them and we've pretty much settled on the Panasonic 42" - but a significant portion of their DVDs are films in the Academy ratio (4:3 same as a standard TV).Panasonic aspect control options 4:3, full, just, and zoom are enabled for 480i/480p signals regardless of the source input (e.g. dvd player). The stretch/zoom options are disabled whenever the incoming signal is 720p/1080i (e.g. future 1080p dvd formats: HD-DVD or Blu-Ray) and those capabilities must be supplied by some external device (e.g. STB or DVD player).

Panasonic's lack of stretch/zoom capabilities for HD content may be the most serious flaw that affects the entire line of their PDPs. Hopefully this is something they will rectify with their next generation release.

optivity

10-24-05, 07:45 AM

02ephatch

10-24-05, 08:05 AM

RandyWalters

10-24-05, 09:27 AM

I cant find anything in the service menu about hours used or started times...under what area is it in?
Maybe the PM model doesnt have this feature?I think i got this from Bruzzi's site and it worked on my PX50:

TH-42PD50U / TH-37PX50U / TH-42PX50U / TH-50PX50U / TH-42PX500U / TH-50PX500U

While pressing the minus (-) volume button ON THE PLASMA press the "RECALL" button on the Remote Control 3 times in a row (within 2 seconds).

Then press "1" on the remote two times until you see OPTION BOOT ROM.

Now press and hold the MUTE key on the remote for 3 seconds.

TIME = Hours of Operation (Hex Numbers)

COUNT = How many times the Plasma was powered on

Switch off the power (Using the remote or the plasma button) to exit the service menu.

*Quick tip by jasonbanks to covert the hours in hex to numbers:

In Windows, open CALC (calculator). Click View, and set it to Scientific mode.
Select Hex, enter the number then click Dec.
It will convert it to a number for you.

Bud-man

10-24-05, 09:41 AM

Thanks Randy!! I'll try that when i get home, i must have 10-15 hours so far.

kenmont

10-24-05, 10:20 AM

I have a roughly 1 month old 42px50u that has, within the last week or so, begun to exhibit an audio problem. The problem is an occasional spit of audio static while viewing both hd and sd channels. The cable feed is via comcast with a scientific atlanta 3250 hd stb; however, once the static starts I can switch off the stb and the static is still there. It's an erraticly-occurring light popping sound. It occurs at most about every half second, but there will be intervals (> 10s) with no static. If I switch the plasma off then back on, the static is still there... sometimes. It doesn't show up with every use, and at times I can go a couple of days without observing it. That's the annoying part: I feel that if I call a tech out it may not happen while he's here. Anyway, has anyone else observed similar behaviour? The audio hookup is via the "component 1" block (which inclues L/R audio) on the back of the plasma; however, I'm guessing the connection isn't the problem since I still hear the static if the stb is off.

Oh, and perhaps worth mentioning is the observation that the static only "starts" when I'm watching an HD channel. Once it starts though, as I mentioned, it follows into SD channel viewing, no channel viewing, etc.

Bud-man

10-24-05, 10:55 AM

kenmont, that thread should get Randy on his toes!!!, when the noise starts turn off your stb, then from behind unplug your audio portion of the component cables to see if the noise goes away, might be your cables building resistance.

belpat

10-24-05, 10:57 AM

optivity

10-24-05, 11:27 AM

PDPs provide an excellent platform to display sports programming. On my 50PX50U I watched the "NY Giants" manage to snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat :eek: yesterday!

Bud-man

10-24-05, 11:36 AM

HD Sports is the only way to go!!
If you wanna see the sweat on a linebackers face or a zit on a guys nose 20 row's up than that it!
Fox and CBS HD sports sometimes aren't the best but it's alot better than watching the same channel on SD.
INHD carries Red Sox in HD....real nice!

cpcat

10-24-05, 11:46 AM

Hi folks, I had the chance to view this set in different stores and it is really amazing. Unfortunatly, I did not had the luck to watch any sports event on a plasma HDTV yet and I am planning to use my new TV for sports and DVD 90% of the time. Is plasma a good choice for sports?

Thanks

It's very good and I wouldn't go back to lcd rptv but it seems to have been just a little sharper on the lcd. This is at the expense of more motion artifacts with lcd, though. I'm not sure if this might be just that the broadcast quality has changed since last year, so this could also come into play. ABC MNF especially doesn't seem as good this year. I'd be interested in hearing opinions from others on this.

ClarkeBar

10-24-05, 01:32 PM

ABC MNF especially doesn't seem as good this year. I'd be interested in hearing opinions from others on this.

Agree completely. Wasn't sure if it was Comcast delivery or the initial feed but Mosquito noise seems worse now than before. Of course I'm viewing on ED plasma but 1080i rarely shows any Mosquito noise. Unfortunately Fox, ABC and ESPN HDs are 720P. My 480P panel consistently shows more artifacts of whatever type with 720P, no matter the source.

essencedesign

10-24-05, 02:46 PM

Well since this thread is devoted, I just wanted to say I am the proud new owner of a 42" PD50U....although I din't much at first care for the siver looks of it, the picture so far has just blown me away ...I looked at so many others, and almost ended up with a hitachi HDTV for a similar price. But the richness of the picture on this panny (not to mention ALL the great things I keep hearing about it here) sold me.

I have a few simple questions though, now what is the best thing to do for the first 100 hours or so, I've heard alot about "breaking it in" but am not quite sure what is the best for this set.

Also anyone who wants to share some good picture setting tips for this unit that would be great.

And one more thing... Although I wasn't even aware of the fact when I bought it, I just read on CNET that this set has a buit in HDTV tuner, is that correct ? If so what an awesome bonus !
So all I really need to do is call up my cable company and have them switch me over to a Hi Def feed ? or do i still need the set top box to veiw the HD channels ( I think there are only 4 or 5 of them in my area anyways)

A few newbie questions I know, but I appreciate the input.

Cheers
Jeremy

Bud-man

10-24-05, 02:53 PM

Jeremy if your cable provider offers HD with a STB, then you should for FREE tap into a few local channels, read the owners manual on searching for and setting up HD channels with your tuner.

rover2002

10-24-05, 03:01 PM

I'v had a 42PV500 for a few days now and am noticeing a green tint to dark areas while watching dvds! enyone else have this problem?

Will.

belpat

10-24-05, 03:10 PM

Thanks for your replies guys regarding sports events viewing on a plasma TV. I have one more question. I originally was looking for a 61" DLP set. If I go with plasma, I will have to cut 11" to go with the Panny PX500. I will be sitting at approx. 12 feets. I think 50" might be too small. What do you think? Any of you sitting at this distance from a 50" Panny?

thanks

essencedesign

10-24-05, 03:10 PM

Jeremy if your cable provider offers HD with a STB, then you should for FREE tap into a few local channels, read the owners manual on searching for and setting up HD channels with your tuner.

Oh how cool is that !!!..now I can't wait to get home...Thanks alot for the good news mate

...what of the break in...should I have my pic settings at the bare minimum for the first 100 hours or so...

Damn I'm excited about this now ...

Macfan424

10-24-05, 03:25 PM

BruZZi has a great site that will answer most of your questions, Jeremy. You'll find it here. (http://www.glaucobruzzi.com/plasma-faq/forumdisplay.php?f=16)

On the linked page, you'll find 01) Panasonic White Paper - Plasma Facts and Myths which includes their guidance on break-in. It's not too specific, but most of the comments here were based on this.

miloauckerman

10-24-05, 03:52 PM

Thanks, Optivity.

Nelsun

10-24-05, 03:55 PM

I was hoping someone might be able to enlighten me regarding the PX50 pricing. I am working with a local video store, not the big box places, to buy the 50". BUt I've been delaying the purchase till I finish building the cabinet it goes on. (It always takes longer then you think!) In the past 2 months I have been in contact with a sales guy and he quoted me a great price with delivery and hauling away my dead TV.

But when I spoke to him last week, he suggested I hurry because the Holidays are coming up and they won't be discounting and dealing at all for the Holiday shopping crowd. Plus there's still a wait period as inventory in still low. The first thing that pops in my head is that sounded like a ploy to get to buy. The second thought is that I read here that perhaps in November Panasonic might be doing another price drop. Is there any credence to that?

Thanks, Nelson

cpcat

10-24-05, 04:58 PM

RandyWalters

10-24-05, 05:28 PM

I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised to see another price drop any time soon as demand seems high and supply is low...I agree, it seems like when they dropped the MSRP, demand suddenly spiked and they sold all their inventory. What i find odd is that they've been out for a few months and they still can't fulfil backorders. It's like they stopped making them or sumthin.

If i knew demand for my product was this high, i certainly wouldn't be dropping the price any further. They were already selling well before the big MSRP drop so i wonder why they dropped MSRP in the first place?

belpat

10-24-05, 05:52 PM

How does reliability of a Plasma set is comparing with DLP and LCD displays. After reading more hundreds of hours on thes forum. I have the felling that DLP and LCD sets looks much less reliable than Plasma. Do you guys recommand extanded warranties on Panny's plasma TV's. It seems like it is crazy not to go with extended warranties if you purchase a DLP or LCD set.

RichB

10-24-05, 06:19 PM

I agree, it seems like when they dropped the MSRP, demand suddenly spiked and they sold all their inventory. What i find odd is that they've been out for a few months and they still can't fulfil backorders. It's like they stopped making them or sumthin.

If i knew demand for my product was this high, i certainly wouldn't be dropping the price any further. They were already selling well before the big MSRP drop so i wonder why they dropped MSRP in the first place?

Shush :-)

dtrell

10-24-05, 06:33 PM

jspirate

10-24-05, 07:58 PM

PDPs provide an excellent platform to display sports programming. On my 50PX50U I watched the "NY Giants" manage to snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat :eek: yesterday!

Ohhhh, that was a fun game to watch! Especially in HD :D

D-Nice

10-24-05, 08:46 PM

especially when the new pioneer 5060 is still set at an insane price compared to every other brand including panny. (well, not including the not-of-this-planet pricing of fujitsu)

Really? Are you sure about that? Hmmm...... $700 more isn't insane in my book for what features you actually get.....I'm comparing the 5060 to the 50px500 as it is the closest in feature set.

cpcat

10-24-05, 08:58 PM

Really? Are you sure about that? Hmmm...... $700 more isn't insane in my book for what features you actually get.....I'm comparing the 5060 to the 50px500 as it is the closest in feature set.

The last I checked the MSRP of the 50px500 was 4500.00 while the 5060 is 9500.00:eek: according to the Pio website. What's up with that anyway?

Remember, MSRP only. Cheridave is always watching. :D

D-Nice

10-24-05, 09:04 PM

The last I checked the MSRP of the 50px500 was 4500.00 while the 5060 is 9500.00! according to the Pio website. What's up with that anyway?

Remember, MSRP only. Cheridave is always watching. :D

The MSRP of the 5060 is $6000. I have no clue as to why Pioneer put that on their website as absolutely no one will ever sell it at that price in the US. But truthfully, who buys a plasma at MSRP?

oldcband

10-24-05, 09:10 PM

The MSRP of the 5060 is $6000. I have no clue as to why Pioneer put that on their website as absolutely no one will ever sell it at that price in the US. But truthfully, who buys a plasma at MSRP?
Looks like your 0-2. Or there could be more I don't know about.

D-Nice

10-24-05, 09:17 PM

Looks like your 0-2. Or there could be more I don't know about.

Fellow Panny owners excuse me while I handle this.....

oldcband,

0-2 with what? Are you STILL having "jokes" about the Sharp? Seriously, I don't have time for it. I don't have time to post imaginary things either. I'm really sorry that you feel "believe" that someone would put a Sharp in the attic. Well, guess what....I did it. I spent the money for it and if I wanted to use it as a food tray I would as I bought it...not you. Your comments are really starting to get annoying.

oldcband

10-24-05, 09:22 PM

D-Nice
Sorry, no more my humor might be different than yours. Have a nice day.

alexb76

10-25-05, 12:21 AM

PD-50 OWNERS - ANY REGRETS?!?!

I am about to get one... but should I wait to get PX500 or PX50?! I cannot afford those now!

vnguyen

10-25-05, 12:46 AM

alex, i have had the pd50 since it was first released, and i still absolutely love it! i would have bought the px50 or px500 if i had more money too, but i look at the picture i get from my pd50 now and am still amazed by it.

i just bought the batman movie anthology, watched the first movie and was amazed by how 3d (like staring through a window) some of the scenes looked.

if 42" is the biggest you can afford i would go with the pd50. then in a couple more years upgrade to a 50", that's my plan at least.

alexb76

10-25-05, 01:15 AM

optivity

10-25-05, 09:42 AM

Thanks... I am losing sleep at night cause I am not sure if I am making a mistake by getting and ED or not?!?!?!The PD50U is a nice panel that renders a picture similar to... but does not equal it's HD counterparts. The PD50U lacks a CableCARD slot, it is not as tweakable as the commercial SD unit and does not have many of the features included with the 500Us. It basically comes down to what you want and what you can afford. If you have to purchase now it sounds like you will buy a PD50U which isn't a bad choice; but if you wait a while longer and save some additional money you can probably afford a PX50 or 500U which is a better choice.

rhcorolla

10-25-05, 11:31 AM

I received my Panny th-37px50u yesterday evening from DTV City. I had fun playing around w/ it last night (although the owner’s manual is not the most user-friendly I’ve seen). Thanks to everyone here for excellent guidance & information.

I did autoscan & picked up the local HD stations w/ just a set of rabbit ears (the towers are less than 5 miles away). HDTV was great! Excellent reception w/ no ghosting vs. some of the analog stations. Very impressive.

I played portions of a DVD from my new Sony DVP-NS70H player & was equally pleased. Gorgeous picture. Unfortunately this DVD player has the horizontal shifting issue that is addressed in another thread. A 3 /4” black bar shows up at the top of the screen when using the HDMI connection (Zoom function won’t eliminate it. It is not present w/ RCA cables however). I didn’t notice it until 15 minutes later. When I switched to TV viewing I could see the image retention of the black bar, but after an hour of changing channels, turning it off/on, it went away. Whew! (felt like I had dodged a bullet).

Further viewing was restricted to full screen, setting pic mode to Standard, & contrast/ brightness/ sharpness to -5 (approx. 60% reduction of full –30 to +30 scale).

For my tastes, watching this 37" screen sitting 8'-6" away was a very good fit (as others have recommended, I brought my tape measure & checked when shopping to be sure).

Nowhere in the manual does it describe special care for burn-in issues other than a general statement about “Do not allow a still picture to be displayed for an extended period as this can cause permanent after-image to remain on the plasma TV. Examples of still pictures include logos, video games, computer images, teletext, & images displayed in 4:3 mode.”

I called Panasonic Customer Service this morning to discuss in more detail precautionary measures for “break-in” period & issues re: Sony DVD black bar temporary image retention.

They said the wobbler circuit in these newer panels reduces the burn-in concerns greatly. Rep said that permanent image retention would result from watching the same logo, 4:3 mode side bars, etc. if it was for WEEKS at a time (example he used was playing MSNBC for 2 weeks straight w/ the same logo & teletext should be avoided). They recommended for the 1st month or two, not to watch a DVD from the Sony player w/ the 3/ 4” black bar. Picture settings were said to be far less crucial than keeping a full screen w/ no bars. They said I could even watch in Vivid mode right out of the box if I wished too! (I don’t. I prefer the look resulting from lower settings).

So, should I run a solid image loop 24/7 for 4 days like I have seen recommend by some, or just keep it full screen w/ toned down setting for the 1st 100 hrs. or so? I’d be curious how other px50u/ 500u owners have fared that haven’t spoken in detail about this.