I'm reding these threads to learn @ these fine AVR's. Which do you guys like best.

New to HT. Looking at B & W 703's if it helps.

Thanks

I can't believe that Costco is selling the

Why can't you believe it? Heck, a year ago they were selling Denon 5805's online for a few months.

I never looked at Costco's Electronic section online, just the TV section. Heck, I didn't realize they even sold the 5805 a while back :o

Yeah, last year right about this time they were selling the 5805, they only had it listed on their "online" site for about 2 months or so. But their price on it was really not at all that great, because it was only about $500 off of MSRP.

Yeah, last year right about this time they were selling the 5805, they only had it listed on their "online" site for about 2 months or so. But their price on it was really not at all that great, because it was only about $500 off of MSRP.

........i'm guessing service on one of these units might be a nightmare bought from a store like this.
I would only consider it if they were seriously below everyone else...even then i'd have 2nd thoughts.

Costco does not offer service/repair on anything. But if anything goes wrong with it, ever/lifetime, and you bought it from Costco. Then you either get a full refund or another new one. Providing they still sell the item, and if they don't, then you still would get a full refund.

Costco does not offer service/repair on anything. But if anything goes wrong with it, ever/lifetime, and you bought it from Costco. Then you either get a full refund or another new one. Providing they still sell the item, and if they don't, then you still would get a full refund.

Wow. That's a pretty good deal.

The Costco policy is a fabulous one. The only real drawback is if you buy something there that you are really pleased with, but down the road it needs service for something (however small)...what do you do? Take it back and get a refund? And they don't sell that item any longer (a frequent occurence at Costco). Also, what about support? But then, you got it REALLY cheap...


Eric

A full refund at any time, is better than paying for a repair for something that has a expired warranty. Any new product should at least outlive it's factory warranty time limits, and then some. But with some of the problems I see people are having with their new IR pre-pro's....... I don't know if I'd even want to risk keeping one. And if I did, I for sure would feel a lot better knowing that I could get a full refund for it at any time if I also had such problems with it.

Johnla,

Absolutely a product should outlive its warranty period; and I'm sure that Costco would not sell the products if they did not have confidence that the products will last a LONG time.

Fortunately, the Onkyo and Integra owners are not experiencing the same problems that some of the IR folks have encountered.

Eric

Fortunately, the Onkyo and Integra owners are not experiencing the same problems that some of the IR folks have encountered.

Yes, I have noticed that the people with the receivers, do not seem to be having anywhere near the problems as the ones who bought the pre-pro's.

Yes, I have noticed that the people with the receivers, do not seem to be having anywhere near the problems as the ones who bought the pre-pro's.


....problems get magnified in any owner's thread. I highly doubt there's a higher problem rate with the IR devices, considering how closely all three brands are. A very large IR dealer has quoted me a 2.1% failure rate...which is about normal for Japanese manufactured high end components. There are a huge amount of posts on the IR thread compared to ths one.........several of the issues are multiple problems coming from the same small group of people. (and i'm not trying to say these aren't major points of frustration for those involved) Pretty tough to say the glitch rate is any higher than Onkyo/Integra line. If it were, i suggest to you a year into this iteration of prepro, there would have been recalls or abandonment or 'some bean-counter recommended remedial action' of some sort to stop the 'bleeding'.

Andy.

Hi all,

Just got my Xbox 360 today and am wondering if anyone is having a problem with the display when running through the NR1000 via HDMI. I get a lot of on/off of the picture when running this; I often loose the picture entirely for extended periods of time when running via HDMI. The 360 to the display via component (through the receiver of course) works fine, its just the HDMI that seems screwy...

yama2330

I don't buy into the it's "only" a "normal" 2.1% failure rate. Not when some of these people have had their units replaced 2 or 3 times already, and others have had them repaired. And a few times with each new unit or repair, they ended up with a new or different set of problems or issues than they had before.

I don't buy into the it's "only" a "normal" 2.1% failure rate. Not when some of these people have had their units replaced 2 or 3 times already, and others have had them repaired. And a few times with each new unit or repair, they ended up with a new or different set of problems or issues than they had before.

....considering this thread size, there are actually quite a few problems noted with NR1000 i noticed.
So what would the failure rate of NR1000 be based on this thread? 1%....3%....1.9%

It's whatever you want it to be, seeing as how you seem to think it's all OK and normal.......

Wow! What a gig, this technology biz is!!!!!!!!

I bet the failure rate is low, but real. This is why warranties are important.

I've never thought of customer satisfaction this way until reading these threads..... where one beats his head trying to solve problems, calling customer service, and knowing that you have a lemon! My time as a professional (who can afford these nice things) is important, too. These toys cost REAL $$$$, too. Consumers should expect more.

(I have been on the phone with people in the Indian subcontinent supporting Dell and Cisco products, needing to shave twice while they run down algortithms to solve tech issues). Truly I need such help, at times, but as an ex-engineer, I am usually self-sufficient.

I actually think Costco has it right - just replace or refund the lemons and keep selling the hotcakes! This is where mass merchandizing must be going.

I am sure the corporate MBA's have this figured out, too, whether they are in manufacturing or sales and service.

Profit on the 98% > loss on the 2%. If I get unlucky to be in the 2%, I'd like to be a Costco customer. The other 98% must be pretty happy, too.

I don't buy into the it's "only" a "normal" 2.1% failure rate. Not when some of these people have had their units replaced 2 or 3 times already, and others have had them repaired. And a few times with each new unit or repair, they ended up with a new or different set of problems or issues than they had before.
I bet if you really go back and do an analysis, most of the "failures" weren't failures at all but firmware bugs or misconfigurations which didn't require swapping out the unit. The new units just happened to have newer firmware and were reset to default configurations.

IR users may also be more likely to exercise the more advanced features of the devices (e.g. i.link) and find bugs. Some of the issues discussed were also preamp-specific and wouldn't apply to a receiver.

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Steve

yama2330,

Is the XBox360 at times sending no signal through the HDMI? Or changing resolutions or some such thing? Then the HDMI interface has to re-sync to the video signal when it returns. You'll get a blank screen for those periods.

Eric

Steve,

Stuff like iLink are identical on all three products...Onkyo TX-NR1000, Integra DTR-10.5 and IR RDC-7.1. It was two other Integra dealers and I who first brought the iLink issues to light with Integra. Japan couldn't replicate the problem (loss of iLink connectivity with our DPS-10.5 DVD players) for a long time. They had two of us ship our units back to them; eventually Japan independently verified the intermittent problem. Firmware upgrades improved the situation; but it can still happen when the planets align properly.

The only way around it before the updates was to disconnect the receiver from the AC!

I don't know about iLink issues with "foreign" DVD players...

Eric

Norman,

Actually, some of those issues are what your dealer is supposed to be for. Like support, etc.
Costco makes very little selling those units at the prices they do...that's why they have a membership fee. Did you know that the majority of their corporate profits come from the membership fees?

Eric

....problems get magnified in any owner's thread. I highly doubt there's a higher problem rate with the IR devices, considering how closely all three brands are. A very large IR dealer has quoted me a 2.1% failure rate...which is about normal for Japanese manufactured high end components. There are a huge amount of posts on the IR thread compared to ths one.........several of the issues are multiple problems coming from the same small group of people. (and i'm not trying to say these aren't major points of frustration for those involved) Pretty tough to say the glitch rate is any higher than Onkyo/Integra line. If it were, i suggest to you a year into this iteration of prepro, there would have been recalls or abandonment or 'some bean-counter recommended remedial action' of some sort to stop the 'bleeding'.

Andy.

I would not believe anything a dealer says regarding failure rate, especially an O/I/IR dealer. Any dealer has a conflict of interest.

I bet if you really go back and do an analysis, most of the "failures" weren't failures at all but firmware bugs or misconfigurations which didn't require swapping out the unit. The new units just happened to have newer firmware and were reset to default configurations.

IR users may also be more likely to exercise the more advanced features of the devices (e.g. i.link) and find bugs. Some of the issues discussed were also preamp-specific and wouldn't apply to a receiver.

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Steve

So those of us allegedly "privileged few" who are experiencing ongoing RDC-7.1 problems just need firmware updates? Oh, you mean the firmware updates that IR promised to put on their website but disappeared never to return months ago without explanation? Or is it that we just don't know how to use those "advanced features" like surround sound? Give me a break. There are multiple problems that multiple people have with these units. Multiple replacements are not uncommon. One guy is on like his fifth unit. Dealing directly with IR customer support adds further insult to injury. I would never buy another O/I/IR product.

So those of us allegedly "privileged few" who are experiencing ongoing RDC-7.1 problems just need firmware updates? Oh, you mean the firmware updates that IR promised to put on their website but disappeared never to return months ago without explanation? Or is it that we just don't know how to use those "advanced features" like surround sound? Give me a break. There are multiple problems that multiple people have with these units. Multiple replacements are not uncommon. One guy is on like his fifth unit. Dealing directly with IR customer support adds further insult to injury. I would never buy another O/I/IR product.

You certainly have a right to complain about customer service. But the complexity of the software on these things is huge, so I'm convinced that most of the problems are software bugs or the user misconfiguring one of the umpteen million settings. Do you trade in your computer for a new one every time it misbehaves, or do you think the software is usually to blame?

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Steve

Steve,

Stuff like iLink are identical on all three products...Onkyo TX-NR1000, Integra DTR-10.5 and IR RDC-7.1.
Eric
My point was that a greater percentage of IR users would be using the matching DVD player with iLink. TX-NR1000 users would be more likely to use a different brand DVD player or use an S/PDIF connection or the 7.1 analog inputs and never notice the problem.


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Steve

Hi all,

Just got my Xbox 360 today and am wondering if anyone is having a problem with the display when running through the NR1000 via HDMI. I get a lot of on/off of the picture when running this; I often loose the picture entirely for extended periods of time when running via HDMI. The 360 to the display via component (through the receiver of course) works fine, its just the HDMI that seems screwy...

yama2330
I have exactly the same problem with my orignal Xbox playing some games. I do also use component out of the XBox then HDMI to my Pioneer plasma. However with the Xbox mediacenter there's no problem at all...

My point was that a greater percentage of IR users would be using the matching DVD player with iLink. TX-NR1000 users would be more likely to use a different brand DVD player or use an S/PDIF connection or the 7.1 analog inputs and never notice the problem.


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Steve


Forgive me, but I missed the specific iLink problem. Would someone be kind enough to re-post for me?

Thanks

My point was that a greater percentage of IR users would be using the matching DVD player with iLink. TX-NR1000 users would be more likely to use a different brand DVD player or use an S/PDIF connection or the 7.1 analog inputs and never notice the problem.


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Steve


Steve,

Why would you think that? All three pieces from Onkyo/Integra and IR have matching DVD players. What iLink problem(s) are you talking about? The only problem that I am aware of was discovered by people with the Integra products. I haven't been following that endless IR thread closely... I'm not an IR dealer, just an Integra one.

Eric

Steve,

Why would you think that? All three pieces from Onkyo/Integra and IR have matching DVD players. What iLink problem(s) are you talking about? The only problem that I am aware of was discovered by people with the Integra products. I haven't been following that endless IR thread closely... I'm not an IR dealer, just an Integra one.

Eric
I'm just speculating that people buying the IR preamp are more likely to buy complete systems with multiple matching components and have more sophisticated setups on average than people buying the Onkyo receiver. Thus they would be more likely to discover bugs in some of the more advanced features like the iLink interface between the matching preprocessor and dvd player.

On the other hand, there are presumably a lot more Onkyo owners which would increase the likelihood that an Onkyo user would find a bug before an IR user.

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Steve

I'm just speculating ...

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Steve

Glad to see you admit it. Seems like those of us that actually o w n an RDC-7.1 might know at least a little something more than you about the failures.

Glad to see you admit it. Seems like those of us that actually o w n an RDC-7.1 might know at least a little something more than you about the failures.

Well I do actually "o w n" an RDC-7.1 but it hasn't been delivered yet. I read the entire RDC-7.1 thread recently and it seemed clear to me that most of the problems turned out to be software problems or misconfigurations rather than defective hardware. Swapping the unit changes all three so I don't know how you determined that most of the problems were hardware related.

Regarding the issue of IR vs. Onkyo defect rates, unless YOU have actually owned a statistically-significant number of each model and configured them identically, I don't think you're qualified to do anything more than speculate either.

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Steve

Well I do actually "o w n" an RDC-7.1 but it hasn't been delivered yet.

Hope you have better luck than I.

I read the entire RDC-7.1 thread recently and it seemed clear to me that most of the problems turned out to be software problems or misconfigurations rather than defective hardware.

So have I and that's not my conclusion.

Swapping the unit changes all three so I don't know how you determined that most of the problems were hardware related.

When I started having problems with my original unit updating the firmware didn't resolve the problems. IR said send in for repair and I did. Several weeks later I got the unit back and it had the exact same problems. IR said send someplace else and I did. After IR got it they sent me a new unit. It was their determination that it was hardware, not mine.

The problems I had with my original unit were difficult to reproduce. The reason was they didn't appear until the unit had been on or in standby for a couple of days, and once the unit was unplugged, you had to wait 24-48 hours again. Thats a hardware problem, probably due to heat.

Regarding the issue of IR vs. Onkyo defect rates, unless YOU have actually owned a statistically-significant number of each model and configured them identically, I don't think you're qualified to do anything more than speculate either.

I never made any statements regarding IR vs. Onkyo defect rates.

after reading most of the threads it seems all of the popular brands have some problem or glich so far i have been lucky with my equipment but i do not have net tune or their hdmi card .i would think with as many brands and different technologies there is going to be a degree of incompatibility.

You guys actually read that IR 7.1 thread from start to finish??? I'm so sorry :D

TM

yama2330,

Is the XBox360 at times sending no signal through the HDMI? Or changing resolutions or some such thing? Then the HDMI interface has to re-sync to the video signal when it returns. You'll get a blank screen for those periods.

Eric

Thanks for your message Eric,

There are no resolution changes or times when the xbox360 isn't sending signal. For example, when doing a fly-by in Tiger Woods 2006, the screen may cut in and out 5 or six times during a camera pan of the course...It almost looks as if the receiver is having trouble producing a constant data stream to the display device and the display is showing the interruptions in signal. I didn't have this problem with my regular xbox, and the dashboard (xbox360 interface) seems to work fine, its when you're playing games that the picture becomes unstable...

yama2330

I am using the XBOX 360 with my TX1000 without any problems. However, I am using component out and sending 720p to my Optoma H79. The picture is flawless to say the least. I will experimnet for you and send it out thru my HDMI and report my findings soon...JoeRod

I am about to purchase the tx-nr1000 but am concerned about the replaceable cards. The store i work at recently changed the product status of the 1000 to a "discontinued by factory" status. We have a seperate status that indicates we would be dropping the product, so unless it is a mistake, onkyo will no longer be making the 1000. I can get a great deal on the receiver, but only two hdmi inputs will suck in the future. With the delays of the hdmi card and this possible discontinued status of the receiver, would i be dumb to buy this machine?

I am already planning on converting my hd dishnetwork receiver to hdmi, and will get an xbox 360 and ps3 which will someday have hdmi. I then plan on buying a dvd player as well. Thats four hdmi inputs needed, what should i do?

I have not heard it was discontinued. I will check my sourced this morning and report back...
If the deal is that great (pm me) then I would probably go for it. It is a remarkable unit with amazing sound for both Movies and Music!

I don't think the 1000 has been discontinued...the Integra version certainly hasn't. The HDMI cards are currently on backorder; due to ship in mid-December.

Eric

Should Onkyo decide to make changes to any of the modules on the TX-NR1000, they might want to give it a different model number or a MKII designation. The reason I say that is because the module configuration on the Onkyo is not selectable by the customer like it is with the Integra and IR models. So it might make sense to "discontinue" the old model if they were renaming it after the changes.

Also, this is more speculation, but could the backorder status of the HDMI module mean that a new version of the module is forthcoming next month? That would be a pleasant surprise and one that I'm sure a lot of people would welcome.

Brian

Also, this is more speculation, but could the backorder status of the HDMI module mean that a new version of the module is forthcoming next month? That would be a pleasant surprise and one that I'm sure a lot of people would welcome.

Brian

Nope. I was told point blank at Cedia Expo...a new HDMI card is probably a year away. They are waiting for the "HDMI dust to settle."

Eric

I guess I missed that bit of news out of Cedia Expo. I'm beginning to wonder whether the HDMI dust will ever settle. :rolleyes: Onkyo probably wants to wait until it is known whether changes will be necessary for Blu-ray and HD-DVD support.

Brian

I guess I missed that bit of news out of Cedia Expo. I'm beginning to wonder whether the HDMI dust will ever settle. :rolleyes: Onkyo probably wants to wait until it is known whether changes will be necessary for Blu-ray and HD-DVD support.

Brian


Brian,

I think they want to wait until the chips for HDMI 1.2 are available!! They are not shipping as yet. I think Q1 2006 is the target. I was told that they have also figured out how to fit a lot more "stuff" on a card.

Eric

I would rather them wait and get it right instead of have compatible issues. Does anyone know if we will have to send them in for firmware updates if we get a new module? I would hoe they would send you a disc to make it easier...

Ok, so i am in the process of purchasing the NR1000 on clearance. The only problem is that they do not have the remote but have the remote for the 901 model. The salesman told me the only difference he can find is that the lesser remote does not have the zone 3 control button and under the audio, subtitle, angle, and last m buttons the symbols O,X,'triangle' and 'sqaure' are not there. Does anyone know what these buttons do?

Does anyone know of any other potential problems if i take this remote? New remotes are 135 dollars! i will definitely work something out with him if i can. He is going to keep looking for the remote.

I do not know about using the lesser model's remote for the 1000. One of the best features of the TX1000 is its remote. I do not understand how dealers can loose a display's remote. You put it in the manuals plastic wrap, tape it up and put it on your demo shelf in the back! How hard is that? I would say you may have to get him to get you the remote from Onkyo (dealer cost). If he really wants to sell the receiver than he will...

Atleast get him to pay half of the 135.00! Either way trust me, you want that remote!

They display their remotes with the product. After a couple months on the main display, the decided to move it upstairs into a "dream living room/theater." It either got misplaced during the move or by a customer walking through the display room. He is going to get some of the display staff involved and see what he can find. I have a little pull because i also work at this place, not in electronics, but in appliances. I am a friend of the salesman so hopefully we can get it resolved.

Alright. They found the remote so that was nice. I started temporarily setting up the receiver using the current wiring i had already set up with my old receiver. I say temporary because my new hitachi hdpj52 projector will be arriving in about 2 or 3 weeks along with my new screen and i will be changing a lot of stuff around.

So far so good. This is the best piece of equipment i have ever owned. I have never owned this high of a grade of electronics and i am absolutely astounded at how unique and flexible this machine is. There is so much to learn so back to the manual i go.

Congrats! The remote was well worth the stress, agree? You will be very happy with you TX1000. I have had my unit now for about a year and still am amazed by its flexible options and top notch sound...

Congrats! The remote was well worth the stress, agree?

The remote sucks.

R

I truly like the remote. It is well laid out and comfortable. It is much better than most companies cheap plastic remotes. The Onkyo SP1000 dvd remote is its brother and I like that one as well. Most of the folks I talk to like them to. He needed the remote because using a lesser models remote would have been a pain in the butt! Trust me...

I truly like the remote. It is well laid out and comfortable. It is much better than most companies cheap plastic remotes. The Onkyo SP1000 dvd remote is its brother and I like that one as well. Most of the folks I talk to like them to. He needed the remote because using a lesser models remote would have been a pain in the butt! Trust me...

I have the Integra Research RDC-7.1 processor, it has the same remote as the 1000 receiver. It's the worst remote I have ever had.

R

I have the Integra Research RDC-7.1 processor, it has the same remote as the 1000 receiver. It's the worst remote I have ever had.

R

......agreed, that has to be hands down the world's worst remote design.......i can't think of a single redeeming quailty....maybe if i wanted to use it as a hammer, so i guess it's good that it's heavy.

thats good stuff.

a nice review of the 1000 in jan of ht mag.

It is about time someone did a review on this excellent receiver...Can't wait to read it!!!

what is ht mag?

what is ht mag?

Home Theatre Magazine (http://hometheatermag.com/) , but I don't think the article is on the web yet.

It should be available in stores sometime this week. Probably the same for the web...

Home Theatre Magazine (http://hometheatermag.com/) , but I don't think the article is on the web yet.

And there is no guaranty that it will be, after all they do want you to actually buy the magazine itself. So they almost never will put anywhere near all the info online from the latest current issue. Online they usually try and give you just enough information as "teasers" from the new issue, to make interested enough so that you want to buy the magazine.

And there is no guaranty that it will be, after all they do want you to actually buy the magazine itself. So they almost never will put anywhere near all the info online from the latest current issue. Online they usually try and give you just enough information as "teasers" from the new issue, to make interested enough so that you want to buy the magazine.

You are correct :)

That is exactly how I would do it if I were selling a magazine. Why give it all away for free when you need people to buy your magazine? I already subscribe to HT mag so I am not worried about it but if I didn't then I would go out and pick up a copy of it..

That is exactly how I would do it if I were selling a magazine. Why give it all away for free when you need people to buy your magazine? I already subscribe to HT mag so I am not worried about it but if I didn't then I would go out and pick up a copy of it..

I also subscribe to the print version. I think they should also have a members area where all of the articles can be accessed.

I agree with you 100%. We should be able to access archived material...And new material at all times...

Okay I just read the review of the TX 1000 in HT Magazine. I really found myself agreeing with his review almost 100%... I was also pleasantly surprised to read his take on the notch filter. Anywhere else I have read about this receiver they never mention it. Also, this is a question to see what others think he means when he mentioned the THX RE EQ feature while playing back dvds. Do you think he means he listens to his movie sound tracks in THX surround EX then adds the RE EQ or does it mean the RE EQ is a THX option? I have never used my TX1000 while playing movies with the THX option on. I always use DDPLIIx or DTS ES decoding. I think tonite I will experiment and see what it sounds like adding the THX to the sound. How is everyone else listening to their movies? He also states that without the THX RE EQ he would not be able to take a movie because of the hard bass. Interesting to say the least...

joerod,

I normally listen to movies with DPLIIx + THX

Sometimes I do Ultra2 Cinema...but my defaults are the above. (or DTS + THX). THX Re-EQ is best used on old soundtracks as the higher frequencies were emphasized to compensate for losses due to the movie screen. If you have an acoustically transparent screen, by all means use the Academy curves, rather than Re-EQ. These days some modern DVD soundtracks are remastered to compensate for that pre-emphasis, so it's not necessary.

Eric

Thanks Egcarter. So let me understand this better. For dvds you use DDPLIIx then you hit the THX button? What does the display on the 1000 say then? Does it say THX surr EX or DDPLIIx + thx or THX cinema or THX Ultra2? Sorry, but you can get that I am curious as to what others think is the optimal setting on this tank of a receiver...I guess I still have more experimenting to do...

Thanks Egcarter. So let me understand this better. For dvds you use DDPLIIx then you hit the THX button? What does the display on the 1000 say then? Does it say THX surr EX or DDPLIIx + thx or THX cinema or THX Ultra2? Sorry, but you can get that I am curious as to what others think is the optimal setting on this tank of a receiver...I guess I still have more experimenting to do...

joerod,

I just have it setup in the defaults that way. Yes, you can have it say PLIIx, then hit the THX button and it says PLIIx + THX. I prefer to go into the setup and configure my defaults for all of the different modes in there.

Eric

So in that mode (DDPLIIx + THX) do you think the receiver is at its best? And then if you are doing a DTS movie do DTS + THX? I will be trying that for awhile now to see if it is indeed better. Thanks for your input...

Mark from HT Mag got back to me and said he did a lot of A/Bing and he prefers the RE EQ on at all times. He also said he does like the THX added with DDPLIIx and DTS modes the best. And of course he said whenever possible he uses DTS over DD...

... And of course he said whenever possible he uses DTS over DD...

If the DTS is compressed as much as the DD track, then there is really no "benefit" to using DTS over DD. Would you say this is an accurate statement?

Just looking for some feedback; I'm not trying to start an argument. I know that we all have our own preferences....I certainly do!

...and I'm still waiting for my HT mag to be delivered :mad:

After some experimentation I've discovered that DPLIIx works best in my setup whenever I'm watching movies. I even use it when listening to the DTS 5.1 soundtrack. It just seems to give me a cleaner presentation and I seem to get more going on in the surround channels than using any of the DTS or THX modes. I haven't really messed with the RE-EQ feature. I am going to go back and try using THX cinema along with DPLIIx to see if I notice any difference over Dolby alone.

All the best.......Carlo.

Thanks Carlo, the more that experiment the better. I agree, there really should not be that much benefit from one to the other. I will continue my experimenting...

I just stumbled across this thread about 2 weeks ago, and am sure glad that I did. I read through all posts at the time, which pretty much cemented my decision to purchase the TX-NR1000. I’ll apologize in advance for the size of the posting, and hope you don’t mind reading a bit to get to the questions I have on this beast.

A little background history first –
I’ve been a long-time Onkyo user, having owned a TX-DS777 since 1999. We recently moved and in my haste to get things hooked back up, I tried hooking up the B channel speakers with the power on. Yes, I know – very stupid idea. Needless to say, I fumbled one of the wires and it brushed across a speaker terminal of the opposite polarity for the A channel speakers. Pop. While I didn’t fry the receiver, I managed to create a slight buzz in the A speakers whenever the TV was on. With the TV off it was fine. I thought about getting it fixed, as I loved the receiver and my current living room only allows me to have a 5.1 speaker configuration. Well, I finally decided that maybe this would be the best time to upgrade since I could justify it with the wife due to the buzz problem. I originally looked at the TX-NR901, but these had been out so long that they were hard to find except for refurb’s or used. The Net-tune capability really interested me in that I could play my entire music collection without ever having to switch CD’s again. I finally decided to purchase the Onkyo TX-SR803 receiver, and would pick up an Onkyo NC-500 or Integra NAC 2.3 Net-tune receiver to add that capability. I figured the 803 would give me a little more capability with the HDMI switching, once I was ready to upgrade our TV. However, I soon found that the 803’s lack of inputs and fickle remote were to be sources of frustration for me. I had recently purchased a Sony 400 disc DVD Changer, but still wanted to use my Onkyo 6 DVD Changer for rentals, borrows, etc. I couldn’t do this easily with the 803, as I only had 3 video inputs to work with. Once I discovered that I would lose another video input if I integrated a Net-tune receiver, I decided that I had to get an NR901 or NR1000.

So I have this NR1000, and I’m loving it – it is as many have said within this thread – simply incredible. I hear things that I have never heard before in music and movies. Unfortunately, it is the only home theater piece that I would consider to be high or mid-fi. All my other components are below that. So, if you don’t mind reading further please allow me to list my equipment and then I’ll cut to the questions:

Sony Wega 27” TV – Analog component input only
Onkyo Integra DX-C730 6 CD Player
Onkyo DV-C600 6 DVD Changer
Sony DVP-CX995V 400 DVD/CD Changer
JVC VCR with S-video output
Xbox with S-video output
Hughes DirecTV receiver with S-video output
Monster HTS2500 Power distribution unit
PSB Stratus Bronze speakers – Fronts and Surrounds
PSB Stratus C6 speaker – center channel
Monster THX component, S-video, coax, and optical cables

Here are my questions, any and all advice or information is greatly appreciated:
1.) I believe the PSB Stratus Bronze speakers are 4 ohm speakers. I really don’t care for the all channel stereo option with the center channel on, and I was able to run wires for my rear surrounds to the B speaker option on my previous receiver so that I could have the 4 main speakers on in stereo mode. I’m able to do this with the NR1000 as well, but only if I set the speaker impedance to 8 ohms in the receiver’s configuration. Am I degrading sound quality or performance by doing so?

2.) I have the receiver in an old Sauder home entertainment center that accommodates 27” TV’s. The shelf supports the receiver without any problem, but I’m a little concerned about the heat. After moving the shelf down as far as I could in the rack, I have about 4 inches above the NR1000. I’ve cut the entire back out behind the receiver, but there is a full length wood/glass door on the front. I seem to remember the 777 generating a fair amount of heat, and never had any problems with it, even if I ran it all day. However, the NR1000 generates a ton of heat. If I run the receiver (with door closed for a good 6 – 8 hours, you can only put your hand on the receiver for about 15 seconds before needing to take it off due to the heat. I really don’t have a good way of measuring the temperature of the unit, and I’ve read that it has a cooling fan which will kick on after 140 degrees F. I’ve listened when it has been super hot, and I have not been able to hear any fan running yet. So, should I be worried about this? The manual says that you need to have 8” above it and 4” on either side and back clearance for ventilation. I don’t know of too many racks that will give you that without them being entire wall units.

3.) Since my TV is only able to receive analog signals, I’m running analog component from both DVD players to the NR1000, and analog component out from the receiver to the TV. Since hooking everything up, I’ve noticed a slight jaggedness from the Xbox graphics and a little bit of digital noise or artifacting from the Sony DVD player (haven’t tried the Onkyo yet). I’m thinking of running the component direct from the Sony DVD player to the TV to see if there is any difference. Have any other NR1000 owners noticed anything if they are using an analog signal output to the TV?

Once again, sorry for the length of this posting. Hopefully I won’t get too many flames as a result. If you can provide any advice or assistance, I’d greatly appreciate it.

Best Regards,
Todd Ridner

Todd,

Have you tried the PLII settings rather than the All Stereo? You have options on Music, Movie, and Game. Personally, I think these are far better for enjoying an accurate surround experience. I would hazard that B speaker configuration is using same channel amp as A configuration, thus the recommendation not to run 4 ohm speakers with this configuration. I would follow manufacturers' recommendations.

I have the IR RDC-7.1 and it gets very warm. I have open back in my rack with mesh sides and door in my rack, which sounds like more air movement than available to you. I have increased space to over 6" from a previous 4" spacing. Previously, I infrequently had the unit shut off, and I suspected it may have been heat related. I have not experienced the shut off issue since increasing the breathing space.

Good luck,
Will

Definitely try the DDPLIIx modes. And I would not rule out adding the THX decoding with it. Experimenting is the best thing to do. I have had my unit now for a year and still am A/Bing it. I would not worry about the fan. I never hear mine either. As long as you have atleast 4 inches above it and a couple on each side it should be fine..Congrats on this great AVR!!!

I tried the Enhance mode with Monday Night Football as some have suggested. It sounded good, but I found that I heard the fans through the fronts far more than the rears. Prologic IIx Movie mode sounded a little better to me - the fan and field noises were much more pronounced in the rear surrounds.

Unfortunately, my entertainment center does not allow for any space on the sides of the receiver - maybe a half inch on either side. Don't know if this will be an issue or not.

I'll be running network cable this week to get the net-tune going. I don't remember seeing a disc in the receiver accessories kit, but figure I'll download it direct from the website. Question - should I upgrade the receiver's firmware to 1.08 before using net-tune? I read a couple posts on this thread that show that some fixes have been addressed in newer firmware, but it doesn't say specifically what was fixed for net-tune. I have already downloaded the 1.08 firmware - just didn't know if I should upgrade to it or not.

Any other thoughts on the speaker impedance question I posted earlier? I don't think I'm hurting my 4 ohm speakers by running them as 8 ohm in the receiver's config. Just didn't know if I was sacrificing sound quality by doing so or not.

Thanks again,

Todd

Sometimes broadcasts sound different in enhance mode. I would experiment and try A/Bing it depending on what your watching...Baseball, football, basketball and hockey have all different types of sounding broadcasts...I do prefer DDPLIIx for some games and enhance for the others...Sometimes even football games sound better in enhance depending on the channel its on...

anyone ever have this happen?

The receiver began clicking eratically after my satellite receiver decided to shut down. It seemed as if the internal video detection switch in the 1000 was going nuts. It just kept clicking over and over until i shut the receiver off and then it was fine.

I have heard of this happening before with a friends TX1000. Same exact situation. His was fine afterwards. It is almost like the TX1000 gets confused since there is no audio source being sent to it and it has a seizure. I am sure it will be fine. His incident happened 6 months ago...

I'm getting ready to get Net-tune implemented, and will be using the 2.0 software. In checking the NR1000's firmware, I come up with the following:

Master 1.09
i-Link 1.02
Net-tune 1.00
HDMI 1.00

I have downloaded the 1.08 firmware upgrade from Onkyo's website. Now for the questions:

1. Does the net-tune version need to be above 1.00 for it to function correctly?
2. Since the Master is already at 1.09, is there a way to upgrade the others without overwriting it?
3. Any other insights or thoughts on the firmware upgrades?

I'm not afraid of doing the upgrade, and imagine it's pretty straightforward. I just want to make sure that the software and firmware version of Net-tune are where they need to be for it to work correctly (as much as possible, anyway).

Thanks for any help provided,

Todd

OK. Two questions as I just have not had the time or been able to find the answers in the manual.

1. I cannot turn my receiver off with the remote. What setting do i change to do that? I have the remote set to 'amp' to turn it on, but when i hit off or standby, the red light blinks to let me know it is getting the signal, but nothing happens. I set up my dish network remote and it will turn it on, adjust volume, but also won't turn the dang thing off.

2. The volume adjustment time is too slow for my tastes. Using either the main remote or my dish network remote, i sit there and hold the button in for what seems like an eternity just to get a little bit of an increase. Anyway to speed up the volume increase/decrease time?

Thanks guys. I have been so busy building my HT setup, i just haven't had time to tinker.

I have never heard of the unit not turning off. Are you sure it says "amp" in the middle of the remote instead of V1 VCR or DVD DVD? When you push it down again it will say V1 AMP or DVD AMP. I would call onkyo on this one in case you have a defected remote. Same for the audio adjustment. I never seem to have that long of a wait to go from low to high or vice versa... Something maybe fishy with the remote...

maybe this will help as i am still confused.

Using the remote, I cannot power on my receiver by hitting the "on" button. The only way I can power on the receiver is by pressing the scroll wheel down, which puts the remote in 'amp' mode. I cannot also put the receiver into standby when using the remote.

Ex: The receiver is off and in standby. If I pick up my remote, press the scroll wheel, the receiver turns on and the remote is now in amp mode. If I immediately press "standby" on the remote, nothing happens. I have to manually shut the receiver off by hitting the power button on the front panel. Also, if the receiver is sitting there and in 'standby', i cannot power it on using the "on" button even if the remote was already in amp mode from the previous time i used it.

I cannot figure this out.

Rice,

The scroll wheel MUST say AMP for you to control the receiver...unless you also have an SP1000 connected via iLink and have set the receiver preferences to wakeup via IEEE1394. In that case the DVD player will turn the receiver on when it's turned on, too.

Does the scroll wheel still say AMP when you hit the Standby button and it's going into standby mode?

Eric

Alright, I fixed it but still didn't figure it out. I found in the manual that you can reset the remote controller to its default settings and did so. That fixed the problem and i can now turn the receiver on and off. There must have been some setting that i could not find in the manual that changed how the on and standby buttons worked. It was a display in the store so maybe they programmed it to turn another device on or off and it would not turn the receiver off. I don't know, I am just glad i can work it now.

Hey anyone know if this receiver can be upgraded to accept the recently annunced DTS HD codes from the CES2006?

I was told by Onkyo reps that is would be able to do both the Dolby Digital PlUS and the DTS HD.

wow. So I haven't read any news from CES. Is dolby digital plus and DTS HD further enhancements past EX and ES or are they completely different? I need to get with it.

I still haven't had time to sit down with my new projector and my new 1000 and tweak them. I have been building all the furniture and mounts for my HT room. Sorry if these audio questions are common knowledge but I am out of the loop.

I am really starting to wonder if they are going to stick with this receiver and its idea of upgradeability. As far as I know, there really has not been much given to this receiver. We seem to be forever waiting for hmdi upgrade cards, and I have not been able to really find anything else.

It just worries me that i spent a lot of money on empty promises.

I am really starting to wonder if they are going to stick with this receiver and its idea of upgradeability. As far as I know, there really has not been much given to this receiver. We seem to be forever waiting for hmdi upgrade cards, and I have not been able to really find anything else.

It just worries me that i spent a lot of money on empty promises.


Reiterating what I reported last September, I was informed at CEDIA Expo that new HDMI cards would likely be a year away (CEDIA Expo 2006). They are waiting for the HDMI situation to settle down. There are several new revs (1.2a was just approved a couple of weeks ago). and 1.3 is coming soon. Why come out with a new card when the new spec (and new chips) are just around the corner?

They have also figured out how to "put more stuff on one card." Onkyo/Integra don't exhibit at CES. Integra exhibits at C. Expo.

BTW, the Intel booth at CES did feature the new Integra Integrated Media Center (an HTPC with Windows Media Center Edition), which is supposed to ship this Spring.


Eric


Eric

.... BTW, the Intel booth at CES did feature the new Integra Integrated Media Center (an HTPC with Windows Media Center Edition), which is supposed to ship this Spring. Eric

Any pictures and specs floating around on that HTPC?

Thanks

Any pictures and specs floating around on that HTPC?

Thanks


I have a Japanese language PDF! :) Actually, Dolby mentions it in a CES press release, saying that since it is based on the Intel VIIV platform, it supports the entire Dolby Master Studio suite of technologies: including Dolby Digital EX, Dolby Digital Live, Dolby Pro Logic(R) IIx, Dolby Headphone, and Dolby Virtual Speaker, with support for up to 7.1 channels of surround sound.

It's called the Integra Integrated Media Center. I know it has a 400GB drive, does DVD-Audio/Video, CD, VCD, DVD-RAM/+-R, +-RW, R DL, CD-R/RW/DA.
WMV-HD, MPEG-2/2/4, MP3, WMA, JPEG, AAC, H.264
TV Tuner, has Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005.

DVI, RGB, S-Video, Composite, SPDIF, USB2.0, IEEE-1394, RS-232C

Net-Tune

They haven't provided we Integra dealers with an official announcement as yet. Or pricing.

I have a fuzzy pic from CES of the unit. I had a much better, closeup "studio" pic somewhere, but can't locate it just now.


Eric

Carter, I do understand what you are saying about making a card that will only be outdated shortly, but that is technology. This thing has been out over a year now, and they have done nothing. I am not saying I think the receiver is bad or trying to degrade it in any way. As is, this receiver is still one of the best if not the best. I am just wondering though, if they will make the changes they need to make. I am sure if I knew all the fine details about the HDMI situation, I would understand, but if we are already two revisions into HDMI yet have no updated cards to speak of, that is a little disconcerting. You can always use the excuse that the next big thing is what you are waiting for, but I understand the upgradeability of this receiver to be the exact reason we shouldn't have to worry about updates and new technologies.

Again, I love my NR1000 and wouldn't trade it, I just hope they hold true to their original idea.

Carter, I do understand what you are saying about making a card that will only be outdated shortly, but that is technology. This thing has been out over a year now, and they have done nothing. I am not saying I think the receiver is bad or trying to degrade it in any way. As is, this receiver is still one of the best if not the best. I am just wondering though, if they will make the changes they need to make. I am sure if I knew all the fine details about the HDMI situation, I would understand, but if we are already two revisions into HDMI yet have no updated cards to speak of, that is a little disconcerting. You can always use the excuse that the next big thing is what you are waiting for, but I understand the upgradeability of this receiver to be the exact reason we shouldn't have to worry about updates and new technologies.

Again, I love my NR1000 and wouldn't trade it, I just hope they hold true to their original idea.


I'm just passing on the information that I was given by folks who know what's "in the cards." And I, for one (particularly as a dealer and owner of the Integra DTR-10.5) am glad that they are waiting until the new chipsets are available.

Eric

Rice0209,

What is it that you need to be able to do with your receiver that you can't right now?

Eric

full audio in through hdmi would be nice so that i can place my x-box and also my sat receiver farther away since i don't want to have to buy a really long optical cable along with a really expensive hdmi cable. I am also planning on buying a nice DVD player once some more ground has been made on the new HD dvd players and when they may some day come out.

It would also be nice to have more than two inputs for hdmi. I have an x-box 360 and digital satellite receiver and will get the PS3 when it comes out which will also be HDMI. I don't want to have to buy an expensive hdmi switch. I would rather they just release the updated HDMI card with more ports like they have been rumored to have in the works.

I am just afraid that they may never do it as their track record is not good.

Again, please don't take this as a post that is degrading the onkyo. I do love this receiver, it just worries me since I spent so much money and haven't seen an improvement.

I wish they would either change the ethernet port to allow downloads for the NR1000 or make another card that adds that ethernet port upgradeability.

I will be glad that they wait as long as they don't keep waiting forever. Like I said, I am sure that once told all the technical details, it probably makes sense, but so far, all we have are insider rumors and nothing concrete.

The XBOX 360 does not use HDMI (am I missing something?), I also would love the 4/1 HDMI card. I have had an Onkyo SP1000, HD TIVO, DTHEATER player (JVC HM5 U) and now I have a H20 satelite receiver and soon HD DVD player XA-1...So as you see I really need the 4/1 card. It is pretty easy though to walk behing my theater (unfinished area) and change the HDMI connection but eventualy the HDMI card will be 10 times better...

The following three cards are scheduled to be released this year (probably Summer to Early Fall timeframe).

HDMI 1.2 card (don't know how many inputs)
AM/FM/XM tuner card
AM/FM/HD Radio card

There may be others coming, too...

Eric

The Integra Integrated Media Center is scheduled for release around the March - April timeframe.

MSRP around $4k.

Eric

EGCARTER, Do you know what we will to do to install the newer HDMI card? In other words will we have to send in our units or will we be able to install them ourselves? Do you think we will have to install a newer firmware as well? Thanks, it is good to see some light at the end of the tunnel...HDMI cards should be top priority...

Whenever a new HDMI module is released, and regardless of the HDMI version (1.1, 1.2 or 1.3), you can be assured that it will n o t support OSD via HDMI, which puts it at a permanent and major disadvantage.

My OSD comes over HDMI on my DTR-10.5.


Eric

EGCARTER, Do you know what we will to do to install the newer HDMI card? In other words will we have to send in our units or will we be able to install them ourselves? Do you think we will have to install a newer firmware as well? Thanks, it is good to see some light at the end of the tunnel...HDMI cards should be top priority...


All cards have a little allen wrench type screw. Just remove that, pry the card loose and pull.

New card goes in the opposite way.

I'm sure there will be firmware updates to support anything new.

Eric

Microsoft is going to release the HDMI cable for the x-box shortly. I am using the component cables supplied with the 360 until the hdmi's come out. Normally, I am a huge monster cable fan and would already have them hooked up, but no sense in paying a lot of money for cables that will hit the shelves as soon as the hdmi cables come out.

Thats really nice that they are going to release those cards for the 1000 soon. Like I said, I wasn't trying to be negative, but i would rather them release a working version of something rather than holding off until they just decide its not worth it.

With HDMI 1.2, will that include being able to input high def video and dolby/dts surround signals completely without the need for other cables? Also, I thought you said they might wait for 1.3 to be released. Do you think they will? What benefits would it have?

Is there some sort of special input needed for xm and hd radio and that is why they need these other two cards?

Thanks again for your post Egcarter. The information is greatly appreciated.

Yes, thanks for the info EGCARTER! Sounds like it will be a simple switch out...I can't wait!

Rice0209,

Yes, with HDMI 1.2 (and 1.1) you can have HD video and Dolby/DTS surround sound on the one cable.

The 1.3 spec isn't even finalized as yet... the 1.2a spec was just completed a couple of weeks ago. I don't think there will be production silicon for 1.3 for many months!


The XM radio has a special connector to which you attach the XM antenna.
You can only have one of these tuner cards in your receiver...you must remove the existing AM/FM card and replace it with one of these if you wish.

I have the Integra DPS-10.5 DVD player, so I use iLink for the audio to my DTR-10.5 and HDMI for the video. My XBox is attached via component.
They all work great.


Eric

HDMI 1.2 card (don't know how many inputs)


They should wait for HDMI 1.3 - the Onkyo, Integra, and Integra Research flagships can already do everything HDMI 1.2 does if one uses the HDMI card for video and iLink for audio.

R

They should wait for HDMI 1.3 - the Onkyo, Integra, and Integra Research flagships can already do everything HDMI 1.2 does if one uses the HDMI card for video and iLink for audio.

R

I have heard that HDMI 1.3 is almost two years away. I won't complain about a 1.2-compliant board. I just want more ports.

Eric

My OSD comes over HDMI on my DTR-10.5.
Eric
I think the issue is that OSD can't be overlaid onto an HDMI signal. It can be overlaid onto an analog input and converted to HDMI, or it can be sent as a separate (non-overlaid) HDMI signal, but you can't take an HDMI input and overlay the OSD and produce an HDMI output.

--
Steve

I have heard that HDMI 1.3 is almost two years away. I won't complain about a 1.2-compliant board. I just want more ports.

Eric

Agreed. More ports is good :p

What does HDMI 1.3 (over HDMI 1.2) add to the format?

I don't really care what 1.3 has. Probably nothing that would help my set up now anyway. I just want to make my AVR more flexible and adding a 4/1 HDMI card would. So please, for the love of God, get them out soon.......

a 4/1 card would make me happy.

I don't really care what 1.3 has. Probably nothing that would help my set up now anyway. I just want to make my AVR more flexible and adding a 4/1 HDMI card would. So please, for the love of God, get them out soon.......

I agree with you! I was just asking out of curiosity.

To me, there is no reason to wait for hdmi 1.3. They will constantly be updating HDMI connections until they surpass its abilities and move on to the next connection. Besides, Onkyo can just make more money by selling another add on card if necessary. I hope that they could update through firmware to get the new 1.2 card to be a 1.3 card. I think the main reason for a new card is because the current one has so few hdmi ports. 2 is just not enough for me and HDMI isn't even that popular yet! I say get the card out as quick as possible.

Ditto!!!

Hello Everybody,

I have a NR5000 (European version of NR1000), I have a question concerning speaker configuration.

I use a MAIN A 7.1 config and a MAIN B Stéréo config Bi-Amp.

In the manual it is mentionned than we can configure SPEAKER A as MAIN A and SPEAKER B as MAIN A too with the SurrBack in Bi-Amp mode. With this configuration, in the Listening Mode setup menu, you can choose e.g. Stereo on Speaker B but... as soon I select MAIN A for Front speaker B, I can't select Bi-Amp in Surr-Back as written in the manual.(page 23 in English NR5000 manual) My firmware is 1.06

Is it the same for you ?

Thanks for your answer.

Sylvain.

Yeah more ports is good, but to be honest i'm more interested in mfrs making source components whose hdmi outputs are designed to work with repeaters/switchers.

BTW egcarter THANK YOU for the 411.

TM

I agree with Rice, HDMI 1.3 is of no concern to us I-Link users providing someone releases an HD player that will output the HD audio formats in PCM over I-Link. I prefer I-link because it can be daisy chained, passes remote control signals, supports autoswitching and allows me to run HDMI to my Video processor (Which works properly with any version).

Eric,

Thanks for sharing the info. Apparently a DAB module is still on the cards for Europe too, maybe Onkyo is awaiting the new HDMI card so an upgraded TX-NR5000 can be offered.

Please could someone check for me... :rolleyes:

"I use a MAIN A 7.1 config and a MAIN B Stéréo config Bi-Amp."

I think this is your problem. Biamp only works with 5.1 in Zone A AFAIK.

My TX1000 works well with my Razorvision from Belkin. ANd that has HDMI in (from 1000) and then out to my PJ...

"I use a MAIN A 7.1 config and a MAIN B Stéréo config Bi-Amp."

I think this is your problem. Biamp only works with 5.1 in Zone A AFAIK.


Normally, with SpA in 7.1 for Main A and SpB Bi-Amp also for main A should work as written in manual !

Could you try as written in bottom of page 23 of the manual :
http://63.148.251.135/redirect_service.cfm?type=own_manuals&file=TX-NR1000_5000_En.pdf

what is your firmware version ?

Big thanks

so what is the method for updating firmware now? I remember reading a couple pages back that updates were no longer available on the website and that you have to take them into an onkyo authorized servicer. Is that true or can i hook it up to my computer?

Good question Rice, I remember I just completed my firmware update thru my laptop when they were stopping us from doing so over the internet. I would hate to have to send mine in to do a firmware update for the newer HDMI 4/1 card...

I read that the last firmware is 1.09... true ?

Hi Asterix,

1.09 is the newest firmware I know of and the firmware I use.

I use an Integra Research RDC-7.1 which uses exactly the same firmware but is a Preamp. I suppose the RDC-7.1 could do the second setup shown on page 23 using the Zone B preouts in conjunction with the balanced Zone A outputs so will see if I can set it up as shown on the bottom half of page 23 tomorrow.

As for firmware updates, Integra dealers have easy access to the updates and at this time they seem to work fine for Onkyo, many Integra dealers will email more saavy users updaes as required so a second hand source should be possible.

AFAIK Onkyo still take the official line that the TXNR1000/5000 is not user upgradeable which is backed up by the fact that the manual does not seem to include module installation and removal instructions but as long as Integra and Onkyo use the same firmware and modules I can't see Onkyo stopping users upgrading using Integra modules and firmware.

1.09 is my firmware as well. Does anyone know how to tell what their unit has???

Has anyone experienced snapping noises. Sometimes when switching sources. Sometimes for no apparent reason. Any ideas? I have directv HD Tivo, TX 1000 DVD. Mitsubishi DLP. This happens when playing DVD's also. Thanks in advance.

Can someone tell me what HDMI 1.3 adds over the 1.2 spec?

Are the BLU-RAY players going to output audio over Firewire?

I think 1.3 adds the ability to transfer the new HD formats raw instead of as PCM.

I dont know of any Blu players with I-Link yet but would sure like one. I-Link has enough bandwidth and strong enough encryption to cope with full on PCM output. The huge amount of bandwidth should also mean I-Link could transfer the new HD formats in the raw on new (As yet unreleased) reciever designs without the need for a new revision eg. "I-Link 1.9."

I think 1.3 adds the ability to transfer the new HD formats raw instead of as PCM.

I dont know of any Blu players with I-Link yet but would sure like one. I-Link has enough bandwidth and strong enough encryption to cope with full on PCM output. The huge amount of bandwidth should also mean I-Link could transfer the new HD formats in the raw on new (As yet unreleased) reciever designs without the need for a new revision eg. "I-Link 1.9."

So, if I understand this correctly, with HDMI 1.2 the HD sound is transfered via the HDMI cable, but it is converted to PCM?

HDMI 1.1 & 1.2 can send full res PCM converted sound. I think the only real audio addition for 1.2 is it can transfer native SACD (DSD) (If that is of any concern anymore).

HDMI 1.1 & 1.2 can send full res PCM converted sound. I think the only real audio addition for 1.2 is it can transfer native SACD (DSD) (If that is of any concern anymore).


Okay. When BLU-RAY and HD DVD hot the shelves, how will we get digital audio to the NR1000 in its current configuration?

Okay. When BLU-RAY and HD DVD hot the shelves, how will we get digital audio to the NR1000 in its current configuration?


Coaxial Digital or Toslink outputs.

Eric

Please, can somebody check the speaker config I would like to do on their NR1000/5000 ?

Thanks !

Please, can somebody check the speaker config I would like to do on their NR1000/5000 ?

Do you know where it's possible to download firmware 1.09 for NR5000 ?

Thanks !

Coaxial Digital or Toslink outputs.

Eric

They can't handle the new high res formats, can they?

Please, can somebody check the speaker config I would like to do on their NR1000/5000 ?

Do you know where it's possible to download firmware 1.09 for NR5000 ?

Thanks !

Send an email to: AVAKHARIA@us.onkyo.com

I believe that you need to request the new firmwarem and state that you understand that the responsibility of flashing it correctly was is on your shoulders and give them your physical address.

Thanks DCIFRTHS

I 've just sent an email... but I lieve in a small european country called Belgium :D
So I think Onkyo US don't agree to satisfy my request... :mad:

Have you a NR1000 ? Is it possible you try to set the speaker config as written some posts above ? Thx !

Thanks DCIFRTHS

I 've just sent an email... but I lieve in a small european country called Belgium :D
So I think Onkyo US don't agree to satisfy my request... :mad:

Have you a NR1000 ? Is it possible you try to set the speaker config as written some posts above ? Thx !

I do have the NR 1000, but I am in a state of flux. I don't have all my equipment hooked up, I am running new wire, building a new rack etc. Sorry about that.

EDIT: I sent you a PM.

would it be possible for anyone to send me the 1.09 firmware ? I did the upgrade to 1.08 myself and I know how it goes. I only need the firmware. ?? Please !

So does anyone know how to check their firmware version on their unit? I know how on the SP1000 but I never had on the TX1000...

not sure if 10.5 is the same but on the osd no8 is listed as lock/version hit that and it will list the firmware.

not sure if 10.5 is the same but on the osd no8 is listed as lock/version hit that and it will list the firmware.

It works on the NR5000 ;)

Great! Thanks guys!

would it be possible for anyone to send me the 1.09 firmware ? I did the upgrade to 1.08 myself and I know how it goes. I only need the firmware. ?? Please !

Does anyone ? My email is mikereuter@hotmail.com (If you want to send it)

If I have version 1.09 I will send it to you. I will check when I get back...

joerod,

Please send it to me also if you have it. Thanks in advance!

rice0209@hotmail.com

If I have version 1.09 I will send it to you. I will check when I get back...

Thanks !!!

If I have version 1.09 I will send it to you. I will check when I get back...

I'd be very grateful if you could send it to me, too. dmitry91 @ gmail . com

:( snif snif...

nobody want to help me...

Nobody want to check the speaker configuration on page 23 of the manual...

:confused:

If I have version 1.09 I will send it to you. I will check when I get back...

Please add me to the list: mssantoro@pol.net

Thanks in advance

I do have 1.09, so here it comes...

Hi!
Does anybody know if there is an update of:
ilink version
net-tune version
HDMI version
Thank you
JM

Hi!
Does anybody know if there is an update of:
ilink version
net-tune version
HDMI version
Thank you
JM

Updates from which versions? When you do the general receiver firmware update (now at 1.09), it automatically applies any available updates to the modules' firmware.

Eric

I do have 1.09, so here it comes...

Thank you Joe, very much appreciated. !!

Updates from which versions? When you do the general receiver firmware update (now at 1.09), it automatically applies any available updates to the modules' firmware.

Eric
Thank you Eric ,now I understand, I have the Master 1.02,I think I should update :) ,may be it could also fix my Net-Tune problem.
Cheers
JM

No problem, as consumers we need to get the most out of our purchase...I just can't wait to get the 4/1 HDMI cards...

Thanks for the update Joerod! Much appreciated!

All the best.......Carlo.

Joerod, would you be so kind as to send me a copy of 1.09. eMail is fperra@comcast.et.
Thanks

is it a rumor or they really going to produce 4/1 cards.

Thanks for the update Joerod.

Thank you Eric ,now I understand, I have the Master 1.02,I think I should update :) ,may be it could also fix my Net-Tune problem.
Cheers
JM

What is your net-tune problem ?

Joerod, thanks for the update.

Hi,

I have just received my new Receiver. I specifically chose the Onkyo as it was the only one I could find that would allow switching between 2 7.1 rooms.

It was not a requirement to play different sources in the 2 rooms at the same time.

I have set the amp up for both rooms. However, Main-B where I have Kef speakers (1005 7 speakers + sub) the amp protection circuitry keeps on kicking in when the surround sound starts to get to the loud bits.

I have checked the impedance for the speakers and they are 8ohms. I have tried through MainA and MainB with the same results

Meanwhile my living room setup has no problems. The living room also has Kef speakers but much higher spec ones.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks

Finlay

I have set the amp up for both rooms. However, Main-B where I have Kef speakers (1005 7 speakers + sub) the amp protection circuitry keeps on kicking in when the surround sound starts to get to the loud bits.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Recheck all the speaker wires, and make sure to look for even just only one or two strands of wire that may be touching each other.

Joerod, would you be so kind as to also send me a copy of 1.09. My e-mail address is: menexxus@hotmail.com
Thanks Alex

Finlay,

I agree with the other post in that it has to be two wired coming into contact. I had the same problem the very first time i hooked it up and just recently. My problem was at the speaker terminal. I was using some monster cable interconnects and the screw on adapters pulled in next to each other making contact.

It happened again recently when i was moving some stuff and accidently pulled on one of the surround speaker's wires pulling the two interconnects together. At first I had no idea what was going on but after running a test tone found out that the surround was not putting out enough sound so i checked it out and found the two connectors touching.

If you can keep it running long enough before it trips, run the test tone and find which speaker is barely producing sound and check out the wires and ends.

The monster end connectors are great because they have a twist on top, but monster should have covered the gold contact a little better as the weight of the wire naturally pulls them back together. Since this happened I have put electrical tape around the exposed metal.

Anyone else need 1.09 firmware?

JOEROD-

First I want to thank you for sending me the firmware update! However, I am having a problem I keep getting a "error 5 message: Invalid port" Is there a reason for that? Am I doing something wrong? In the read me file it states:
"Error5: Invalid Port No.
Specify any other serial port number which is not assigned yet." I am not the most computer savy person, am I doing something wrong. How do I specify another Serial port number? I mean I have only 1 serial 9 pin port.

Anyone else need 1.09 firmware?

Hey Joe, I wouldn't mind that firmware. If you could send it to me along with the instructions on how to apply the firmware properly to the Onkyo i'd greatly appreciate it.



Thanks in advance buddy, GOD BLESS! :)

Thanks Joerod for coming through! :)

JOEROD-

First I want to thank you for sending me the firmware update! However, I am having a problem I keep getting a "error 5 message: Invalid port" Is there a reason for that? Am I doing something wrong? In the read me file it states:
"Error5: Invalid Port No.
Specify any other serial port number which is not assigned yet." I am not the most computer savy person, am I doing something wrong. How do I specify another Serial port number? I mean I have only 1 serial 9 pin port.

I had the same problem with my Toshiba laptop. Switched to a Fujitsu and everything worked fine.

sucks about the lack of new info on any add on cards.

sucks about the lack of new info on any add on cards.

I did post info last week about the three new cards coming this Summer.

Eric

Just 3? Hmmm...which are they? if you don't mind posting about them again, thanks.

i believe he said an hd radio,xm and a new hdmi card it was in the 10.5 thread.

Anyone else need 1.09 firmware?

I would love to grab a copy please!
Thank you.
modul8

modul8r<AT>gmail<DOT>com

I will try once but the last gmail address I tried to send would not work...Here it goes...

Thanks joerod. Didnt get it at the gmail.
If you could try sstidwell<AT>perthinternet<DOT>com

Thanks very much

Thanks to JohnLA and Rice0209. My problem is solved.

It was one wire that was not connected properly.

My wiring is in wall so it was not easy to spot.


Finlay

Thanks for the firmware joerod. It installed without a hitch and all works well.

All the best.......Carlo.

Thanks for the firmware JOEROD!!!!!!!!! :D

Now what exactly do we gain from the update? :confused:

I have a question after installing the firmware update, I have a message on my onkyo display that reads " I link Error" Why is that and what does it mean? Also the on screen volume blinks erratically when I raise the volume or lower it. Is there anyway to fix these 2 problems?

I have a question after installing the firmware update, I have a message on my onkyo display that reads " I link Error" Why is that and what does it mean? Also the on screen volume blinks erratically when I raise the volume or lower it. Is there anyway to fix these 2 problems?


Do you have any components connected to your receiver via iLink? (such as a DVD player).

Eric

I have a question after installing the firmware update, I have a message on my onkyo display that reads " I link Error" Why is that and what does it mean? Also the on screen volume blinks erratically when I raise the volume or lower it. Is there anyway to fix these 2 problems?
The i-Link error message happened to me also after I updated the firmware.
I turned the receiver off, unplugged it from the wall, waited about a minute and then plugged it back in. When I powered it up the message was gone and the unit seemed normal. For the record, I have a DV-SP1000 DVD player hooked up via i-Link. I also couldn't immediately get audio from the player to the receiver over i-Link once the update was done. The receiver would do a "Link Check" and the receiver's remote would operate the player as normal over i-Link but no audio to speak of. After making sure all the appropriate i-Link settings were made in the receiver and DVD player menus, I made sure the DVD player remained on, I set the receiver's input to "DVD", opened the flip down front control panel of the receiver, I pushed the small round button marked "Audio Selector", then rotated the knob marked "Select/Preset" until "i-Link" was displayed on the receiver's readout, played a disk and voila; beautiful, glorious sound!
Everything now functions normally.
I hope this helps. In terms of the blinking volume display; that didn't happen to me so I got nothing for you there.

All the best......Carlo.

I have a question after installing the firmware update, I have a message on my onkyo display that reads " I link Error" Why is that and what does it mean? Also the on screen volume blinks erratically when I raise the volume or lower it. Is there anyway to fix these 2 problems?


Actually,

If you read the release notes in the ZIP file, it says you may get "ILink Error" after updating. It's nothing to be concerned about.

Eric

egcarter and Goobermonkey,

I wanna thank you guys for helping me out with this problem. Your solutions worked....I link error message gone and erratic volume osd gone! :D Only thing that sucks is that I lost all my setting after the update :( ...but that can be redone. But, big thx guys! :D

egcarter and Goobermonkey,

I wanna thank you guys for helping me out with this problem. Your solutions worked....I link error message gone and erratic volume osd gone! :D Only thing that sucks is that I lost all my setting after the update :( ...but that can be redone. But, big thx guys! :D

No problem!
Glad you were able to get up and running. You're right about losing all the presets. That does suck, although it was fun having my four year old help me run all the test tones and watch the SPL meter needle! Good bonding experience! I just got him trained not to touch the remotes.........now for the two year old.........! ;)

All the best.......Carlo.

It is also important to remember that after doing the update all of your settings will go back to factory setting. You have to act like the TX 1000 is being set up for the first time again. After you set it back up it will be fine. I am very happy with my TX 1000 after doing the firmware upgrade....

I seen on the Wolfson dac homepage that they are advertising Onkyo using the WM- 8740 dac in the DTX-10, TX-NA1000, and C-1VL. Is Onkyo replacing the current models? How long before they come out?

I seen on the Wolfson dac homepage that they are advertising Onkyo using the WM- 8740 dac in the DTX-10, TX-NA1000, and C-1VL. Is Onkyo replacing the current models? How long before they come out?


Those are Japanese market models.

Eric

Recheck all the speaker wires, and make sure to look for even just only one or two strands of wire that may be touching each other.

Thanks for the help. Problem solved. One of my inwall speaker wires was loose.

Finlay

Finlay,

I agree with the other post in that it has to be two wired coming into contact. I had the same problem the very first time i hooked it up and just recently. My problem was at the speaker terminal. I was using some monster cable interconnects and the screw on adapters pulled in next to each other making contact.

It happened again recently when i was moving some stuff and accidently pulled on one of the surround speaker's wires pulling the two interconnects together. At first I had no idea what was going on but after running a test tone found out that the surround was not putting out enough sound so i checked it out and found the two connectors touching.

If you can keep it running long enough before it trips, run the test tone and find which speaker is barely producing sound and check out the wires and ends.

The monster end connectors are great because they have a twist on top, but monster should have covered the gold contact a little better as the weight of the wire naturally pulls them back together. Since this happened I have put electrical tape around the exposed metal.


Thanks for the help. Problem solved. One of my inwall speaker wires was loose.

I'm still finding my way with this site. Not sure if this is the way to respond.

Finlay

This AVR is the bomb baby!

It really is a very good AVR. After about a week with the new firmware I'm noticing that it seems to have taken care of some minor functionality problems such as slow response to voume changes and the like. Everything is good, let's hope it stays that way! ;)

Thanks again Joerod!

All the best.......Carlo.

Your welcome Carlo...I agree, this firmware is a must have for those that own the TX1000!

I have not yet applied the firmware update.

Can I use any serial connector? or do i have to buy special one for the Onkyo to perform the update?

Another thing , I want to connect my SA8300HD DVR cable box directly to my Onkyo AVR through HDMI. But when I did so, the Picture doesn't display, what am I doing wrong? What is the proper settings to use on my Onkyo to get HDMI to work for my cable box?

Thanks.

I've just used the regular serial to serial cable that came with my laptop.
Make sure your COM port is enabled in your computer's BIOS and in the Device Manager. Other than that, you should be good to go. Be aware also that if all your settings are correct and your serial COM port is active but you don't get any communication between computer and reciever, a defective cable may be the culprit. I had this happen the first time I updated the firmware last year. I swithched out the serial cable and all was good.

All the best.......Carlo.

I've just used the regular serial to serial cable that came with my laptop.
Make sure your COM port is enabled in your computer's BIOS and in the Device Manager. Other than that, you should be good to go. Be aware also that if all your settings are correct and your serial COM port is active but you don't get any communication between computer and reciever, a defective cable may be the culprit. I had this happen the first time I updated the firmware last year. I swithched out the serial cable and all was good.

All the best.......Carlo.

Thanks Carlo. I'll try the update sometime this week, I have to remember to jot down my settings, since the update will reset the Onkyo back to factory default.

Any word on any new modular cards Onkyo will release this year?

No problem TMSKILZ, anytime!
In terms of cards I know EGCARTER has mentioned the 4 in 1 HDMI card and the XM satelite card earlier in this thread. I don't recall what the ETA on these was. I used to hold out hope that some sort of card with room correction or digital PEQ for subwoofer correction would come in the future but I doubt it. These would be great features though.
Anyone from Onkyo listening................ :rolleyes:

All the best.......Carlo.

TMSKILZ,

Re: using the 8300HD box. I have one, and an IR 7.1 pre/pro. I have *not* been able to consistently switch the 8300HD via HDMI through the 7.1. I get intermittent HDCP handshake errors. If I go direct from the 8300HD to my projector, it handshakes fine every time.

This is an unfortunately well known issue and is the fault of the 8300, not the IR. As has been documented by verbal and written comments from the head of HDMI.org (you can read the posts and watch the interview at the Secrets website), source component manufacturers must choose whether or not to make a given device's HDMI output compatible with a switcher/repeater (or not). In the case of the SA8300, SA did not.

This is easy for me to prove at home b/c I have two HDMI equipped DVD players. They can be switched through the IR no problem. They properly HDCP handshake every single time.

The good news is that it can be corrected via software - no hardware change required. Supposedly SA has released a firmware patch to correct this. Unfortunately TWC NYC has not yet pushed the patch out to any boxes yet. :( I email Bob Watson at TWC NYC every so often pestering him about this, but so far nothing.

I've had to resort to going component out from the 8300 to the IR 7.1., and using the IR to convert it to HDMI which then feeds my projector...

TM

Hi TM,

I believe what you stated about the issue being with the cable box is correct. However, there may unfortunately be more to it than that. My DirecTV satellite receiver also has handshake issues when using the HDMI card in my 7.1, but when I use my external Geffen 4 into 1 DVI switcher, it works perfectly without any issues. Also, I have had terrible problems with handshake using two separate DVD players (one is Samsung-DVI an the other is a Onkyo SP1000-HDMI) with the 7.1 HDMI card, but once again they work perfectly every time with my Geffen switcher. They sent me a new 7.1 with a new HDMI card, and the same issue again.

There is definitely something wrong with the design/implementation of the HDMI module. I read a review where the reviewer had issues with three different sources he attempted to use with this module. Let us hope that the next version of this module has more interoperability than this one does.

Evan

I wish they were doing a Sirius card instead...That would be having my cake and eating as well though...

That's strange Evan. I wonder what the Gefen does that the IR does not? I wonder if there's a difference (from the HDMI/MDCP perspective) b/t a switcher and a repeater, and if so, perhaps therein lies the issue. Speculating a bit, if a switcher is passive and a repeater is active, then perhaps the IR is a repeater, i.e. active (which makes sense since it does have some processing capability surrounding HDMI signals built in), and therefore is causing problems.

TM

damn, OK thanks a bunch guys for trying to help out.

I just went back to conencting my Sa8300HD box directly to my HP TV via component. i was just trying to see if I could make use of the 3 HDMI ports on my Onkyo AVR, oh well.

That's strange Evan. I wonder what the Gefen does that the IR does not? I wonder if there's a difference (from the HDMI/MDCP perspective) b/t a switcher and a repeater, and if so, perhaps therein lies the issue. Speculating a bit, if a switcher is passive and a repeater is active, then perhaps the IR is a repeater, i.e. active (which makes sense since it does have some processing capability surrounding HDMI signals built in), and therefore is causing problems.

TM


That my friend, is the most well-thought-out and logical hypothesis for what may indeed be occurring. I definitely believe the issue has its evil roots with HDCP. There is one very old DVD I have of a Grateful Dead concert that I think was originally broadcast on public television. It is the one strange exception that seems to work with the HDMI module in the 7.1. It still has occasional dropouts, but unlike every other modern DVD, it actually gets passed through the module and onto the monitor. I have spent more hours wasted on this dilemma than I care to think about. I'm really hoping the new HDMI (1.2?) will work as effectively as my Geffen switcher.

I have spent the last two months patiently waiting to receive my third 7.1 (the first worked perfectly except the HDMI module, but the second was infected with so many gremlins I couldn't believe it). I have been informed by my dealer that IR is waiting to send me my new unit until a new software/firmware? upgrade is released. I have no idea what this means, or if this also involves the Integra/Onkyo units as well. I will most certainly post any information I find out.

Evan

If the unit comes with 1.10 let us know, if it comes with 1.09 then shout at IR for lying. Hopefully it will be third time lucky for you, it should be first time with no luck involved though with a product from IR or Onkyo :(

I definitely believe the issue has its evil roots with HDCP. I'm really hoping the new HDMI (1.2?) will work as effectively as my Geffen switcher.
Evan

I've had several HDMI issues through my TX-NR100 as well -- Denon DVD-3910 player and Scientific Atlanta 8000 HD DVR cable box. Like you, I believe the HDCP related issues are with Onkyo/Integra's take on the standard. Something is off....

When I connect the other sources directly to my Sammy DLP via HDMI there are no issues.

On February 15, 2006 -- an Onkyo rep told me there is no near future plan to produce a 4x1 HDMI 1.2 card module.

I've been entertaining the idea of getting a Gefen HDMI switcher. I think you have sold me on one. You're not a Gefen rep in cyber-disguise are you?

I think you have sold me on one. You're not a Gefen rep in cyber-disguise are you?


LOL :D. I unfortunately do not work in any thing relating to this field (I sometimes wish I did). I'm just a lowly aficionado struggling through the bleeding edge of technology. I became an even bigger fan of Geffen as of last night. I was having a terrible time connecting my DVI graphics card from my computer, through my DVI switcher, and into my Sammy DLP. Every time I switched inputs on the switcher, the handshake was lost, it was impossible to reacquire the signal from the graphics card (ATI 9800) without first rebooting and starting from scratch.

I just connected a little device made by Geffen called the DVI detective, which you put between the switcher and the graphics accelerator card. It memorizes an identification code from your monitor, and continually presents it to the graphics card so that no additional handshake is required. Magnificent! now if only I could find a solution to the 2,768 other technical issues I am presented with in my HT system!

Krobar, I will definitely be interested in seeing what upgrades were made to the 7.1 when I finally receive it. I won't mind waiting if there was actually something tangible to have waited for in the end.

Evan

While on the subject of future cards and upgrades, I really would like to see a version of the analogue audio module with Balanced outs for Zone 2 & 3 (After all it is additional zones and their power amps that are typically much further away).

Hello Everyone,

Would someone be willing to send me a copy of the Onkyo TX NR1000 1.09 firmware update?

Thank you

On February 15, 2006 -- an Onkyo rep told me there is no near future plan to produce a 4x1 HDMI 1.2 card module.



EgCarter you read that, that's the complete opposite of what your sources have told you.

What's going on here?

EgCarter you read that, that's the complete opposite of what your sources have told you.

What's going on here?

I never said 4 x 1 HDMI 1.2, all I said was HDMI 1.2. He doesn't know how many ports there are.


Eric

I've had several HDMI issues through my TX-NR100 as well -- Denon DVD-3910 player and Scientific Atlanta 8000 HD DVR cable box. Like you, I believe the HDCP related issues are with Onkyo/Integra's take on the standard. Something is off....

When I connect the other sources directly to my Sammy DLP via HDMI there are no issues.



Check for firmware updates to the various products. We had an HDMI issue long ago with the Denon DVD2910, an Integra DTR-10.5 with HDMI and a SIM2 Domino 20H projector. Everything was green. Turned out it was a Denon issue. Firmware update fixed it.

Another issue with a Scientific Atlanta 8300HD HD DVR (get rid of that 8000! Worst piece of crap), a different Integra DTR-10.5 and a SIM2 Domino 30H projector. HDMI was all green. Turned out it was a SIM2 issue. New firmware fixed it.

Eric

Supposedly SA has released a firmware update for the 8300 to cable co's to make it function with HDMI repeaters. However, at least my cable co (TWC NYC) has NOT pushed it out to us despite many requests :(

TM

Hello Everyone,

I'm new to this forum. Does anyone know where you can download firmware 1.09 for the Onkyo TX-NR1000?

Thank you

Damn them TWC NYC, lazy farts.

It's bad enough that their HDTV package falls way short of what CableVision offers in their HDTV package, but now they dont want to release the FW to the public? Arggggggh!

TMSKILZ,
This is easy for me to prove at home b/c I have two HDMI equipped DVD players. They can be switched through the IR no problem. They properly HDCP handshake every single time.

The good news is that it can be corrected via software - no hardware change required. Supposedly SA has released a firmware patch to correct this. Unfortunately TWC NYC has not yet pushed the patch out to any boxes yet. :( I email Bob Watson at TWC NYC every so often pestering him about this, but so far nothing.

I, too, have proved it with two different (borrowed) HDMI DVD players.

What will it take for Comcast, Sterling Heights, MI to push out the firmware update to their Motorola STB's? Nothing short of a miracle?

When I called their support line two different times, their tech support knows of no such issue and their work-around (they think they're clever) is to connect it directly to the TV.

I, too, have proved it with two different (borrowed) HDMI DVD players.

I'm so confused, I used two different DVD players with HDMI, and neither worked. I even tried two different HDMI cards. one of the players was an Onkyo SP1000, which I was really surprised to see not work with the card. This entire HDMI dilemma has had a truly terrible rollout in this industry. It really is inexcusable when the issue is so well known by the cable companies, and has not been effectively dealt with. A little firmware update goes a long way!

Perhaps we should create are own master list, documenting what components effectively work with the HDMI module, and what components don't. This would not only be useful for us poor suckers to know, but might also be something we could send directly to ONKYO in the hopes that might contribute to their ability to correct this issue with a firmware update.

I was originally informed by IR tech-support, that they did not test this card with every display device and source component. He promised they would create a fix for my particular issue. I have a course, never heard back from him (six months ago). we do know (I think) that not every issue can be successfully addressed on Onyko's side. Some source components must fix their own problems first. However, at least in my case, the problem is with the card itself. I know this because my external Geffen DVI switcher works perfectly with every device I use it with it with.

So how about it, should we begin to create our own master list? we should of course solicit input from the Integra/Integra Research threads as well.

Evan

Evan,

It could very well be your display. The Onkyo/Integra/IR DVD player works just peachy with the Onkyo/Integra/IR receiver. That's not the problem in the chain. But this is an end-to-end situation and each element has to "play nicely" with the others.

I have personally had the Integra DTR-10.5 along with the DPS-10.5 DVD player since each product's release (I'm an Integra dealer) and I have experienced no such problems with that combo. What kind of cables and what lengths are you using? Don't skimp!!

Can you get ANY HDMI-equipped display to work with them? Have a friend with a small LCD with HDMI you could borrow? Have you tried both HDMI ports? Proper setup?

Eric

Hi Eric,

I have indeed wondered if it is my display device that is the problem. Looks like from your experience that is exactly what's happening. I have used different cables, so I don't think that's the problem. Plus, the cables work perfectly with my Geffen external DVI switcher (which also works perfectly with my display).

I just started a new thread on this topic, and am now realizing that all of this is way beyond my abilities to understand. I tried to erase the thread, but apparently that is not an option. If you have a better idea on how to make a list please do so (you no doubt would do a better job than I could). If not, just ignore my new thread and allow it to disintegrate into AVS oblivion. (I meant well :) )

unfortunately, I have been without my 7.1 for about the past three months now (IR has it), so I am temporarily unable to try your very good idea of using another digital display device with the HDMI module to see how that works.

Evan

Hi Eric,

Plus, the cables work perfectly with my Geffen external DVI switcher (which also works perfectly with my display).


Evan

Evan,

I do know that there are folks out there who have experienced problems (not specifically with this equipment) when doing DVI-HDMI conversions in the chain. That could add an additional element of difficulty into the proceedings.

Eric

Evan,

You are not the only one in this situation (misery loves company?) Look at this:

http://www.simplayhd.com

Eric

Very cool indeed! I was just reading about the Compatibility Test Specification (CTS) on the HDMI web site the other day (1.2a). This could possibly save many poor souls like myself from future misery. I really hope the manufacturers take advantage of this set up to look after their customers. I'm sure they're tired of the headache themselves.

I'm preparing to put myself in bankruptcy by purchasing my first ever projector. It will have an HDMI input (no more DVI). Perhaps your theory is correct, and it will be the end of my problems (and of course just the beginning of many others :p ).

Evan

Strangely enough the Integra works perfectly with a Pioneer DVD Player over I-Link (Have used Integra-Pioneer combo for over year and never experienced that problem). Maybe it is the DVD player that's at fault?

any news about future cards

I am sure there will be some info released soon...

Maybe one of you guys can help me? I just got the Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD-DVR. I am experiencing Lip Sync Problems on some channels while on others it seem ok. I have the audio from the SA8300 set to the onkyo via optical cable. anyone know why this is? or if there is something I can do throu the receiver or the cable box to fix this problem. Thx in advance Alex

The problem is likely to be with whatever is doing the deinterlaching/video processing. Are some channels in your area progressive and some interlaced?

The problem is likely to be with whatever is doing the deinterlaching/video processing. Are some channels in your area progressive and some interlaced?

Not sure but, right now I have the box set up to a standard definition tv until my new 70" HDTV arrives....and the SA8300 is outputting at 480i could this be the reason?

Anyone else need 1.09 firmware?



Joerod,
Is there anyway you could send this to me as well? Sorry to be late to the party my email is brogan2424@hotmail.com if you feel like sending it :o

No problem...

With Dobly Labs announcing 2 new HD audio codes (TrueHD & the other I can't recall the name) I wonder if this Onkyo AVR will be able to handle & produce those 2 new HD audio codecs?

Any news on a new card to support these 2 new HD audio codes for this Onkyo AVR? Thanks in advance.

my dealer said reps have been slow to respond to that question.

Dolby TrueHD requires HDMI 1.3, which hasn't been finalized as yet. Silicon is not yet available. That's why the Sony PS3 was delayed until the Holiday season. I'm sure that Onkyo will ultimately support those codecs.



Eric

I've been using Net-Tune for a while now with no problems - for both net-radio and mserver. I don't listen to net-radio too often, but when I do I like Sky.FM's smooth jazz station. It normally comes in good at 128 kbps. When I checked it out a couple of weeks ago, I couldn't connect to it. I tried some other Sky.FM stations, and was able to connect to them (Reggae, etc). I went to the Internet on my pc to sky.fm and was able to listen to the Smooth Jazz station without any problem.

So, my question is - why isn't Net-Tune able to get this station? I can't find anything on Onkyo's site for this.

Any help is greatly appreciated,

Todd

I've got a screwy problem with mine. The volume won't go down from it's current level, which is too loud. I can turn the volume control all the way down, but the loudness stays the same. Mute doesn't work either. If I hit mute, the receiver says it's muted, but the volume doesn't change. I can turn the volume further up, but I can't reduce it. Anyone else have this problem? How do I reboot the receiver?

look in menu see if it is locked it will be under
version and locked have not tried it but fac reset
you did not mention if you can change any other
settings.

Everything else works fine. We had a power outage a few weeks ago, and since it's been acting screwy with the volume. The receiver needs to be rebooted, but I forgot how to do it. I know it involves pushing a set of buttons together.

i have the 10.5 don't know if it is the same
but here it goes-turn on hold down video 1 at
same time press the standby on button this
will reset to fac screen will read clear all i could
find other than unplug for 5 sec hope it helps.

Everything else works fine. We had a power outage a few weeks ago, and since it's been acting screwy with the volume. The receiver needs to be rebooted, but I forgot how to do it. I know it involves pushing a set of buttons together.

This is not an uncommon problem. Before resetting and losing all of your settings, just try turning it off (not standby) for five minutes. If that doesn't do it, unplug for five minutes. Reset the uP as a last resort.

Thanks for the replies. When I get back home in 5 weeks I'll give the reboot a try. I already tried the unplug trick to no avail.

You also may try resetting your remote. It is very rare, but every blue moon or so a remote can get itself locked up. The directions are in back of the manual...

I have a DTR-10.5...

Net-Tune mServer works fine for me.

But the Internet Radio function always gives me "No List". It does not seem to be getting through my router/NAT (Microsoft MN-700).

Anyone else have troubles getting the Internet Radio thing to work?

Well, I had both the nettune server and the internetradio working,
but,, without changing anything, the internetpart started to give me the same error as you,, no list...

So,, Im quite certain that everything's running OK on my part (and your) so there error must be the service itself that's down.

I've found the message attached on imerge website. I've already wrote an e-mail to Integra/Onkyo support , requestin clarification if they are going to provide alternative Internet radio service. I suggest to all people do the same

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NP200 Internet Radio Support

Issue Date: 20 December 2005

Re: Withdrawal of XiVA Internet radio support on Imerge NP200 Network Player

The market leading Imerge NP200 Network Player is at the forefront of audio distribution technology, using IP networking to share media around the modern home when used in conjunction with an Imerge S2000 SoundServer. The combination of this technology, a high quality 20W stereo amplifier, digital/analogue audio inputs, AM/FM and internet radio have made it an ideal companion to XiVA SoundServers, where standard cable runs are not practical.

Internet radio service provision and streaming formats have changed dramatically in recent years causing many of the NP200 compatible internet radio stations to swap their broadcasting formats in favour of new standards. Regrettably, and for reasons beyond our control, we will no longer be supporting internet radio streaming on NP200 network players shipped from 20th December 2005. In addition, we will no longer be actively maintaining the Internet Radio database for current NP200 users, which means that as streaming formats change the selection of Internet Radio Stations available may diminish.

The NP200 will remain XiVA's choice for audio distribution via IP networks due to its ease of use and practicality and we hope that our customers will continue to appreciate the quality of lossless streaming over both wired and wireless networks from the SoundServer, as well as the many other features it has to offer.